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  Public Talk quote

  by no-zombie in

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  does anyone who has access to the collection of public talk outlines,and remember the quote "half the world's scientist work on weapons of war" (or words to that effect)?

  i used to have them myself, but sadly they are gone.

  i'd like to follow that quote back to its original source if i can.

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  Does anyone who has access to the collection of public talk outlines,and remember the quote "half the world's scientist work on weapons of war" (or words to that effect)? I used to have them myself, but sadly they are gone. I'd like to follow that quote back to its original source if I can. Thanks
  
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  Is there a way back?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  think this night about former and current leadership of jw.org, and the use of multimedia and broadcasting, imaging a theodore jaracks kind of gb member would be chosen again.. is there a way back possibility for jw.org to end all the multimedia circus and a go of the radar for the gb again?.

  a one way street?.

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  I've been with the Organization for a long time, all my life actually and I can not remember it ever returning to a arrangement that's been scraped. And while in the past I've personally hoped that the Society would return to the less judgmental and more family like congregations of the pre80s, I now have come to understand that this will never occur.

  The Organization has only gotten worse, with it being only more draconian as its power has being taken by the Governing Body completely. And because the Brotherhood now believes the subliminal story that the Governing Body is as good as the 12 apostles, any coup, any move to push a Governing Body member out, any major change doctrinal change would only just expose the lie that it is.

  Russell started this train on it's a one way track ... and there is no turning around ... regardless of what lies ahead.

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  What Will The Future Hold For Jehovah's Witnesses

  by VW.org in

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  as descibed by the title here is a link to reddit of a what i believe is a powerful post with heaps of information.

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  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ovq5o/watchtowers_decline_what_will_the_future_hold_for/?utm_source=reddit-android.

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  Thanks John Redwood for this information. For me and others I'm guessing, the global data base is the most interesting comment you made. The question I was thinking about when I first read of it was ... Why? Why would the Organization go to the extra expense of creating and maintain a record of every witness, when all the functions that require a current record of a person's status is already being done at a congregational level ... and particularly more so, now that the CO's have the full authority to appoint Elder and Servants without Branch involvement.

  For me ... and perhaps I'm going a bit nutty here ... but assigning each witness a number really seems more like an accounting tool. Could we be seeing the moves to introduce personal tithing? I always though it could be on the cards, as a way to solve their financial woes.
  
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  Why the meetings are boring and uninspiring

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  each individual may have their own views as to why they feel the meetings are boring and uninspiring.

  in my case i find the midweek meeting so, because of the constant emphasis on pitching watchtower literature.

  its just monotonous and one big yawn.. i watch other christian faiths where they open up a chapter of the bible and discuss it's contents.

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  In the past you could blame the body of Elders for a boring meeting. But now that nearly all of the parts are either a Q&A from the workbook, scripted or a video ... the blame now lies with the Governing Body. Their drive to either make a more unified message or to compensate for the lack of Elders and Servants, has actuality made things worse.
  
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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

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  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  But OnTheWayOut, I reckon that people return to the Organization (or never leave mentally) do so for the good that they feel. If we are all honest, through out all the years we were menially in, was not there many times we actually enjoyed being a Witness? I enjoyed being an Ministerial Servant and Elder ... well I got the satisfaction of helping others, my friends in the congregation despite being very busy. I felt the satisfaction of a person knowing that had the 'truth' and was a little special. I felt safe amongst people who were my brothers. And I was happy that I had a good future to look forward to. We all had those feelings at some time.

  Of course, those feelings were based on a lie and all most none of it was real but we still felt it.

  And I guessing that many people would stay with the Society even if they knew it was fake, because they would consider it still better than being outside. Anyway thats what I though.
  

  In any case I wish everyone a good new year ... and I'm sure the Governing Body will provide for us many interesting topics for us to discuss in the weeks and months to come.

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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

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  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  OnTheWayOut ... you are right in saying that everyone has the right to know the TATT but I was just trying to say from my (and many of us here) experience, that most witnesses will not accept what we've got to say, nor appreciate our good intents. And as a consequence, they have committed themselves to a particular path, on which they will travel until their death or that of the Society.

  But don't you guys get blown away by the story behind the Matrix and the position we find our selves in ... and I'm sure there must have been a time or two when we've all wished for a second to be re-plugged in become blissfully ignorant once more.

  However we are not ignorant and we cant unlearn what we know. And as a result we have become more like the Greek princess Cassandra, who was given the power to truthfully prophecy the future ... but cursed by the fact no-one would listen. As a result, she was seen as a liar, a madwoman and ultimately imprisoned by her family and countrymen. Tragically she went insane because despite her best efforts to warn of an approaching disaster, people never paid heed and sadly suffered as a result of doing so.

  And perhaps the lesson here is that we should be a little pragmatic and realize the risks in trying to save people who by and large, do not want to be. All the while, taking care of our own mental heath so that we can fight (or rather help) another day.
  

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  Is Happiness Without Religion Possible?

  by Brian J in

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  according to the 11/2017 study watchtower.......apparently not.

  is it really true that one can be happy without religion?

  certainly an individual can be happy without false religion, but a person cannot be truly happy unless he has a relationship with jehovah, who is described as “the happy god.” (1 tim.

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  Of course people can be happy without religion. This is because, as one psychologist said, happiness is “the experience of joy, contentment, or positive well-being, combined with a sense that one’s life is good, meaningful, and worthwhile.”

  This being the case, any person who works to help others in some meaningful way, regardless of that person's religious views (or lack there of) has the opportunity to be genuinely happy. Conversely, self-centered and selfish people are almost always unhappy regardless of that person's religious devotions, because its all about themselves.

  Sadly in our Organization, the Governing Body has long focused on people performing visible religious acts for salvation that often becomes as dry and meaningless as those who use rosary beads to say their many prayers to God. Whereas the path to happiness can often be found when a person starts to cultivate, what we would call the fruits of the spirit. Qualities such as love, joy, peace and long-suffering; qualities that can be grown independent of the Kingdom Hall ... as shown the the thousands of police, firemen, doctors and nurses who dedicate their lives to help strangers in trouble and who receive the reward of contentment when they have the opportunity to do some good.
  

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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  In addition to what I've just said, is this ... the burden of being strong; is the need to support the weak.
  
  But how can we do that, if so many of our loved ones do not want to hear the truth about the Truth?
  
  For me, I think of things this way.
  
  One day, it might be this year or in ten years time, the Organization will collapse to the point that even the blindest of witness will understand that a cosmic change has occurred. And when it happens, then I'll be there to pick up the pieces of my family and friends. Helping them in any way I can to reintegrate into the real world around them.
  
  We may be a unsung hero, but Its a cross that we must bear ... and an act of kindness that even Jesus would approve.
  
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  Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

  by paradiseseeker in

  1. jw
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  this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

  first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

  some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

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  What you have said is very interesting, paradiseseeker. And for a fact, for many within the Organization, people think that they have found it a 'safe' environment. However in reality, their 'safety' is quite relative and may be only a illusion, depending upon the makeup of the congregation and the body of Elders who look after it.

  But in reference to the person themselves, I believe that its true that many witness could not cope mentally being in the real world if they where thrust out into it, for whatever reason. And that's why many who are disfellowshiped endure the humiliation of reinstatement just to be allowed back inside their comfort zone.

  And I think that the reason why this is the case, is because people's mindsets ... their frames of reference and values are so set, that they cannot think beyond the parameters that they currently live.

  Is it wrong to try to wake these ones up? That question is a hard one to answer.

  Many posters here in this forum have made reference the movie the Matrix and the red / blue pill moral problem. But even the movie notes, that even they (the movie characters) recognize the problem of freeing a mind that have been plugged into the Matrix too long. "They have trouble letting go" was the comment made. And so it is for real life and the question we are discussing here.
  

  Will all witnesses be better off if we force the real truth upon them? Will everyone's quality of life improve? Or will many become overwhelmed by the cruelties of the real?

  Perhaps we could take some guidance from those in end-of-life care. Is is better to remove the morphine drip out of their arms so that they can reconnected with the real world and be awake to their friends and family ... or do we just let them go peacefully, free of pain and anguish? It a hard situation that I've been in twice.
  

  As a result, I believe that some are just better off as they are ... because many (including many whom I love) will never understand what we know ... nor appreciate our efforts to help. Most have been just plugged in too long to change and are now totally dependent on their synthetic view of the world.

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  Intro

  by jc1985 in

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  hello all, many years i have been lurking on this site.

  gradually i’ve learned the real truth, gone from serving as a servant and at bethel to inactive for almost a year, barely ever wasting time going to meetings.

  my family is large and very active and so is my wife’s so leaving altogether is difficult.. though it seems now that everything is about to change.

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  We all need friends. So do you upmost to join a club that you've always found interesting but never have the time to get involved in the past and make those human connections. Going to university is another option. It will be a bit strange being with 'worldly people' in the beginning but very quickly you'll see that most are non-judgemental and not as immoral as we've lead to believe.
  

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