Does anyone have a good PDF of the 1989 Questions Young People Ask, they could share? You know ... the one with the deleted kid on the front.
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Does anyone have .... ?
by no-zombie indoes anyone have a good pdf of the 1989 questions young people ask, they could share?
you know ... the one with the deleted kid on the front..
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The First Holocaust
by nicolaou inplease, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.
the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.
as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.
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The more that I think about this topic and the way various people have commented on it, has made me reflect on something, which I'd like to share.
Its is a well known political concept that, national leaders (with their weakness, their strengths and their base personalities) are a rather accurate reflection of the people they govern, as a whole. Which breaks the basic democratic concept, that anyone could be President or Prime-Minister of their country.
For example ex. President Trump would never be elected, even to the Australian lower house of parliament as a minister, because his antics are so against the Australian national culture, that no one would tolerate him. Similarly, I couldn't I see someone like the very British, Boris Johnson becoming the US president, but he's not what Americans are.
And if this is actually true, can this concept not also apply to the God's people worship? Maybe it can be.
I've always thought about the disconnect between the God of the OT and the God, Jesus talked about in the NT. How could one be happy to arrange for the deaths of millions, eradicate whole nations and burn individuals with fire, in one period ... and then turn into a God of love and peace in another?
My conclusion is that, because the ancient Israelites were basically a collection of warring tribes (probably little better than their Canaanite neighbors), their god Yahweh, had to be a mighty warrior god, to bless their efforts of conquest. But latter in the Roman times, bathing in Greek enlightenment, many people began to accept a more peaceful deity ... because they themselves, were more peaceful.
The same thought experiment could be applied to the warring Inca peoples and their Sun God, who demanded the beating hearts of freshly killed human sacrifices.
Perhaps God didn't make us in his image ... we made God in ours.
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A special video has been released to assist people who have experienced child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia
by jwleaks inarticle.
https://saysorry.org/2024/02/19/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-australian-national-redress-scheme/.
video.
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I wonder if the Australian Government will require this video to be shown at congregational meetings. It needs to be ... and It would go a long way to properly publicly open up this topic to the Australian Brotherhood.
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Just had a thought…
by Vidiot ini been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
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Its like a woman who leaves her husband for some Chad, only to get dumped ... and then going ape s**t, when she learns that her former husband has moved on with his life, happy with a younger partner.
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .
by gavindlt inhttps://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
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The Governing Body now can do and say what they like ... and the Brotherhood will accept it in all joy, if it good news. But the will be few who have lost family and friends, due to the Blood issue and those who have suicided over their disfellowshiping, that will be totally crushed. How will these ones cope, when they fully understand the treachery of the Organization. I just don't know.
How sad its that they too, will just be viewed as the collateral damage, for the greater good.
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .
by gavindlt inhttps://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
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Thanks for the link gavindit
If this is true and the Governing Body considers the options from such private consulting firms, it will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. And it would be no wonder that the old timer Tony Morris pull the pin ... but a rude awakening for the newbies, Fleegle and Winder ... when they finally understand the GB just makes up the rules on the go
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower!
by gavindlt ini would not put this past the corporation at all!
yes this is at the root of there new light.
it’s called compromise.
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I'm just not convinced that the Governing Body is smart enough, to see the urgency in reforming the Church. Because when you see the various performances of the GB members, quite honestly, its dismal.
Jackson's go at the Australian Royal Commission, Splane's attempt to convince us of the 'Generations' prophecy, Herd's southern farm stories, and all the others ... just don't seem to inspire confidence in their intellectual ability.
To save the Jehovah's Witness movement from its slow death, more is needed that just tinkering around the edges and throwing out a few pieces of candy ... its got to be enough for worldly people to take notice.
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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?
by Vanderhoven7 inaccording to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.
the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?
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Well according the the Governing Body, all those martyrs ... just weren't Christian enough.
Its funny though, that Jehovah thought that they were good enough to compile the Bible. Yes the Bible canon (the list of books deemed to be inspired) wasn't assembled in the today's form before AD 367.
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The Future
by no-zombie indo you want to see into the future?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyi3h7beea.
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Do you want to see into the future?
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Has anyone heard of "Secret Disfellowshipping" by Jehovah's Witnesses? Menlo Park Ca. Congregation. Update.
by Balaamsass inno doubt everyone has been following the juan viejo postings regarding the watchtower kingdom hall "grab" on jwn for the last couple of years.
called the mrs and me to say "wow- you have to google this" we did...came here to jwn ...became members..and the rest is history.. in the last nine months i have been calling and emailing contacts in the silicon valley for verification on the societies theft and forced sale of the menlo park kingdom hall (near the new facebook heaquarters) because the story seemed...a little far fetched.
every reliable contact i made has confirmed what juan reported.
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I think that there is two things missing in this thread ...
Firstly, who is the one that benefits from secrete disfellowshiping? The Organization of course. This is because, either the reason why the person is disfellowshiped is dubious ... or the whole case is too embarrassing for them to handle. Thus, played right, secrete disfellowshiping actually works against the Society in the end more than being publicly disfellowshiped, because as when the facts filter out (which they will in time), the story lingers and its smell, last far longer.
But secondly, religions, football clubs and art societies have the right as private institutions, to make up their own rules, as they go along ... and there is nothing ultimately that its members can do about it. So if the Organization somehow legally acquires Kingdom Halls, and then sell them off, well that it. Its just like your Bingo club. Every Thursday night for that past 40 years you've been going, and then someone one the committee wants to change it to Friday night. If they have the voting rights, then its passed and its done. There is no point bitching about it, either we can put up with the change ... or find a new club.