Posts by no-zombie

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

no-zombie

I'd just like to put a little bit of perspective into the so called 'fantastic' deal that Tony got.

Whether you love him or hate him, he really didn't get a good payout.

I'll explain.

Any manager (even a upper mid-level manger) of a billion dollar corporation would easily earning over 200k a year, plus a nice car and expense account for wining and dining clients. On severance, these people typically get extra, as per their contracted conditions. Which can vary between two weeks pay per year of service to four weeks pay. So going with the low numbers (of 200k x [two weeks per year] x 17 years), such a manager could easily expect a payout of over 130k, not including any superannuation or insurance contributions.

Now lets go back to Tony ... and what he exactly received.

Firstly, he got a 2 bedroom duplex (not a house), in on rezoned country property ... THAT HE CAN NOT SELL. Why? Because the Organization are co-owners. So in reality, all what Tony and his wife received was rent free accommodation for life, while they live in that dwelling.

Plus he got a used mid spec'd Cadillac sedan (not a BMW or Mercedes normally driven by company executives) ... and a meager pension.

Why do I say a 'meager' pension? It clearly because if it was a substantial pension, worthy a person who controlled so much company assets and personnel ... would such a person choose to live in 'boring vill' after living a life of prominence? I think not. You'd just buy or rent somewhere else.

But for me a more interesting question to ask, is how did this deal come about?

While the relationship between the Governing Body and Tony was clearly complex. We could assume, that they would have threatened (or implied to) disfellowship him on the grounds of his alcoholism or apostasy. He could have counter threaten (or implied) to go public as Ray Franz did. But in the end, I think that Tony blinked and took the deal they offered, scared the he'd loose access to his family, even though I believe that he had a stronger negotiating hand.

Thus by my accounting, he didn't get a good deal, from any way you look at it. As he could have made literally millions by going public through book deals, TV interviews (and state's witness) for years to come. But strangely enough, I think Tony is still a true believer, only now a little more confused about how things turned out for him.

As it is now though, just don't think that he came out a winner, as he didn't.

He's just become one of the loneliest people in the world.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

jw
friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

no-zombie

While I am no lover of the Governing Body, the facts around Tony Morris's housing arrangements prove that the GB are not skimming off donated funds into their personal accounts. And judging by being given a used car for his personal use, I expect that his 'pension' from the Society would only be, not that more above his costs of living.

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What Did the Following People Have in Common?

by no-zombie in

what did the following people have in common?.

1 job2 the widow of zaraphath3 naaman4 the samaritan leper (one of the 10 lepers)5 the roman army officer of capernaum6 cornelius and his guestsnone were ...israelitesjewish convertspart of the abrahamic covenantchristianspart of a christian congregationin a dedicated relationship with godorbaptizedhowever ...all were directly given holy spirit or individually blessed by god ... even though, they were not part of 'jehovah's organization'.take time to think what this really means.luke 4:24-29acts 10:34-35.

no-zombie

Witnesses might say that about Korah, Dathan, Abiram or Ananias and Sapphira, that's true. However their stories was a little more complex than being simply disobedient to Moses or the Apostles.

Regardless of that, while a case could be made that God has used organizational structures over time for his own ends, a person would be on shaky grounds Biblically if they claimed that personal salvation is impossible without being a part of one (the current blessed one, that is), which was sort of the point Jesus was trying to make in Luke chapter 4.

But if that is that case, then modern day Witnesses should speak fondly of the people who become Catholics between the years of 4th and 14th century, as that organization was clearly used by God to preserve the Bible.

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What Did the Following People Have in Common?

by no-zombie in

what did the following people have in common?.

1 job2 the widow of zaraphath3 naaman4 the samaritan leper (one of the 10 lepers)5 the roman army officer of capernaum6 cornelius and his guestsnone were ...israelitesjewish convertspart of the abrahamic covenantchristianspart of a christian congregationin a dedicated relationship with godorbaptizedhowever ...all were directly given holy spirit or individually blessed by god ... even though, they were not part of 'jehovah's organization'.take time to think what this really means.luke 4:24-29acts 10:34-35.

no-zombie

WHAT DID THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAVE IN COMMON?

1 Job
2 The widow of Zaraphath
3 Naaman
4 The Samaritan Leper (one of the 10 lepers)
5 The Roman army officer of Capernaum
6 Cornelius and his guests

None were ...

Israelites
Jewish converts
Part of the Abrahamic Covenant
Christians
Part of a Christian congregation
In a dedicated relationship with God
or
Baptized

However ...

All were directly given Holy Spirit or individually blessed by God ... even though, they were not part of 'Jehovah's Organization'.

Take time to think what this really means.

LUKE 4:24-29
ACTS 10:34-35

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Only baptised JWs will make it?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.

no-zombie

While there has been very little actually put in print about this recently (other than discussions of 1 Pet 3:21), the common understanding by Witnesses is ...

Only baptized Witnesses (in good congregational standing and without secrete sins) and their personal unbaptized very minor children with survive Armageddon.

Those people who may be interested or the fence for some reason, will have to make a stand to support Jehovah, the Kingdom and the Society before the destruction of Babylon the Great, or their personal fate will be sealed, to die with the rest of godless mankind.

Regarding inactive Brothers and Sisters ... and those associated with the Truth but have mental disorders, their future is unfortunately a little more greyer.

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KGB infiltrated the Borg

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

we from the old year books that some kgb undercover agents became elders in high up positions.. i wonder if this is going on today?

not just in russia but other congregations around the world?.

when you think how long it takes to become an elder and all the talks and maybe judicial committees they were involved with.. anyway i’m just throwing it out there if someone wanted to pay me i am a current elder who is pima about intelligence or chance involved with the origin of the universe.. .

no-zombie

Judging from the infiltration of the Chinese secrete police (and their agents) into Australian politics, academia and business, it would be a very good bet that Chinese congregations and groups are being spied upon, from the inside.

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Undisfellowshipping - ever heard of it happening?

by no-zombie in

while we are aware of the flip-flopping of doctrinal matters, revisions to how certain sins are handled judicially have also occurred.

additionally, there has been rulings created by the governing body, that has put people into situations where 'sinning' (and their disfellowshiping) was inevitable.

for example in times past, it was issues over if one mate committed acts bestiality or when the parents of hemophiliac children allowed the use of blood fractions on them.

no-zombie

While we are aware of the flip-flopping of doctrinal matters, revisions to how certain sins are handled judicially have also occurred. Additionally, there has been rulings created by the Governing Body, that has put people into situations where 'sinning' (and their disfellowshiping) was inevitable. For example in times past, it was issues over if one mate committed acts bestiality or when the parents of hemophiliac children allowed the use of blood fractions on them. More recently, changes have surfaced over the terminology and understanding of 'adulterous marriages'.

In either case, disfellowshippings have occurred, that now would have been handled very differently for the person or persons involved. And clearly, these are miscarriages of justice.

Thus the question I have is this ... Has any Elder here ever heard of Publishers getting their disfellowshipping overturned, without going through the whole re-appointment process, based on the grounds of the new view of their past 'sin'?

As an ex-Elder myself, I've never directly seen it happen, but I can vaguely remember hearing one 'funny' thing happening a long while ago, with Branch input.

Undisfellowshipping - ever heard of it happening?

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An interesting book

by joao in

can anyone tell me the reason why jw.org has never mentioned this book: the obedience of a christian man, by william tyndale?

i mean, they talk and write articles about his translation of the bible, about him being against the pope, etc.

so, why didn't i ever read or hear about this interesting book?.

no-zombie

While I haven't researched my thought thoroughly, I believe that most church schisms historically develop due to the general realization of its overreach into the lives of its followers, either through excessive control through theological obedience or by a taxation of some kind. Sadly new break-away faiths, typically follow the same path as their parents and ultimately become as demanding as it predecessors. Just as Russel said ... "Religion is a snare and a racket"

(ed. note here that Russel was trying to disgusting the difference between Religion and Faith)

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An interesting book

by joao in

can anyone tell me the reason why jw.org has never mentioned this book: the obedience of a christian man, by william tyndale?

i mean, they talk and write articles about his translation of the bible, about him being against the pope, etc.

so, why didn't i ever read or hear about this interesting book?.

no-zombie

The GB has two problems with Tyndale. But by extension these problems (when you think about it) also extends to all the literally hundreds of Bible translators and copyists of times long past. And this is ... as correctly mentioned by NBD, the contradiction exists between the Watchtower praising him for his efforts in translating the Bible into English on one hand, and ... his personal view of doing so to allow the common man to read and more importantly to understand it's words for himself.

This obviously is a issue for the Governing Body, will resist any lessening of their authority over their respective peoples. Which in some ways is understandable.

However for Witnesses a secondary problem arises. Tyndale and the many others were not members of the true Church. Conversely, if it was deemed that they were apart of the 144000 ... their other writings and action would have more weight or at least give the Writing Committee, more to explain away.

Thus it is more convenient, to put these ones in a kind of theological limbo, because direct and full acceptance of these fine Christians and their works, might reduce the GBs claim that the Catholic Church is part of the Anti-Christ and also weaken their 'us vs them' ideology.

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a pet peeve of mine

by enoughisenough in

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putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.

it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.

there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.

no-zombie

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but instead of my prepared a longer rebuttal, I'll say this ...

Everyone who rips into people with university Degrees, clearly don't have one themselves.

OR

They live in the US, where your profit driven education model make a mockery of every university outside America and their Degree holders, by selling Degree units in Klingon, Harry Potter, Zombies and Vampires. (see University of Ohio State, Wisconsin Madison, Austin Texas and Columbia College)