sorry for this matter has been already discussed.. i got shocked after watching this video:.
kingdom hall disaster demonstration.
this is really insane !!!
Like one person said, "Where are you bugging out to...?" Even in the demo, the radio announcer said "stay in your home". So the "properly" prepared ones were no better off than the "improperly" prepared ones.
Both were sitting at home. And if you are not smart enough to shut off the gas, then that's okay too. You will be "blown to Kingdom Come" and that's what you've been praying for.
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
A little too late I'd say. When you blow a hole in the bottom of your boat, you look for a life jacket bro.
There's no coming back from this. It's a done deal.
I have been hiding for 20 years. My wife for 10. I know better than most how it goes. (family ties)
I've been 'hauled in' twice, and taken aside another few times.
In another event, I was caught in the Public Library by an elder in my own congo alongside another bro who had C of C in his hand. Literally. That bro faded. I was scrutinized.
I've been around, and sharing C of C on facebook...?!?!?! You are done. Get used ti it.
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g02/114/72/pdf/g0211472.pdf?openelement.
united nations e economic and social council distr.
general e/cn.4/2002/107 19 march 2002 english original: spanish commission on human rights fifty-eighth session item 17 of the provisional agenda promotion and protection of human rights human rights and human responsibilities.
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G02/114/72/PDF/G0211472.pdf?OpenElement
UNITED NATIONS E Economic and Social Council Distr. GENERAL E/CN.4/2002/107 19 March 2002 ENGLISH Original: SPANISH COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS Fifty-eighth session Item 17 of the provisional agenda PROMOTION AND PROTECTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS Human rights and human responsibilities
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This document begins with a brief introduction in which the author describes the proceedings in the Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights, as well as in the Commission itself and in the Economic and Social Council, which led to his appointment as Special Rapporteur entrusted with the task of preparing the study requested (Council decision 2001/285 of 24 July 2001).
(Abridged)
34. The foregoing does not, of course, rule out the possibility that in due course some of those duties and certain of those responsibilities may also be established and regulated as formal legal obligations, applicable not only from the standpoint of equity, ethics, justice or morality, but also under the positive law of the country concerned, as standards created in the internal order, or by obligations contracted at the international level. C. Reason for attempting to define formally the duties (or responsibilities) of individuals towards the community in which they live and towards other members of that community
(Abridged)
(Page 30)
53 All references to Holy Scripture in the Spanish original are taken from the Traducción del
Nuevo Mundo de las Sagradas Escrituras (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York,
Brooklyn, 1967). See the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Hosea.
It was a matter of fact that the Watchtower affiliated with the UN DPI as an NGO for political reasons. The Governing Body was seeking to use the UN to do it's political work.
It's a matter of public record.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
JW-Rogue
We'll see if it can work out like you say.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
Katewild.
Your X has custody? And your son is 'awake'.. Friend, how does this happen?
Can you rectify it?
Your handle intimates you are female. You should have him and the X should work to pay.
What country are you in?
Bad situation. My sympathies.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
Torn apart... It's got nothing to do with them "making" you do anything. It's about what THEY are going to do.
if you oppose the signing and the photocopying, and they push the issue, they can separate you from your family. And they will.
so, if you're okay with that, then tally ho.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
I'll bet I know how JWs are viewed by those in the medical community. I'll bet they say dubs are hypocritical nutters.
The card says 'no major components according to the bible'. Sure... A verse that says don't eat blood means you cannot transfuse ONLY major components of blood.
And dubs expect educated medical professionals to take them seriously!
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
The big question is 'how much enforcement will take place?'
I would suggest that there has been, or will be, elder meets where the thing is discussed. Possibly even another letter outlining enforcement.
As a reference, remember the 'emergency contact' program started a few years ago... The elders around here became real anal retentive about it. They were unrelenting. You had to give them an emergency contact with an address where you were going to flee to in the case of an emergency.
They would not give it up. My in-laws have nobody where they can flee to in Canada. So they gave a relative in Europe. And these stupid, idiotic elders accepted that. One elder even wanted to call these relatives to okay the whole deal. And he didn't speak the language. WTH
Like as if 'there's a flood' and you are 'off to the airport for a trip to the old country.'
Just seeing how mindlessly these fools persued the issue gives me pause.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
Surely we could ( I say "we", meaning faders ) have some legal document that trumps the WTBTS's document? If you really feel that you must sign it for fear of being DF'd, which I understand, you could have a lawyer help you make another document that nulls the WTBTS death warrant
I should have thought of that!
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
As a reminder, you should provide copies of your completed Advance Decision document to (1) those who served as witnesses, (2) your General Practitioner (doctor), and (3) your congregation secretary.
This is coercion. Someone saying no ...
You may believe that filling out the ADD, sending them copies and then, going to a lawyer and doctors to give them different sets of instruction will get you out of this gem. Well. No.
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Actually Steph... YES.
The point is, if a newly awakened JW gets in an accident, and they are not going to refuse blood, then they will wake up DF'd anyway, regardless of the paperwork. You are talking about after the 'horse is out of the barn'.
The point is, how can one stay hidden at the congo while the horse is still in the barn.
The point is, NOT getting DF'd right now while still in perfect health.
