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apocalypse
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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Katewild.
Your X has custody? And your son is 'awake'.. Friend, how does this happen?
Can you rectify it?
Your handle intimates you are female. You should have him and the X should work to pay.
What country are you in?
Bad situation. My sympathies.
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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Torn apart... It's got nothing to do with them "making" you do anything. It's about what THEY are going to do.
if you oppose the signing and the photocopying, and they push the issue, they can separate you from your family. And they will.
so, if you're okay with that, then tally ho.
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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I'll bet I know how JWs are viewed by those in the medical community. I'll bet they say dubs are hypocritical nutters.
The card says 'no major components according to the bible'. Sure... A verse that says don't eat blood means you cannot transfuse ONLY major components of blood.
And dubs expect educated medical professionals to take them seriously!
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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The big question is 'how much enforcement will take place?'
I would suggest that there has been, or will be, elder meets where the thing is discussed. Possibly even another letter outlining enforcement.
As a reference, remember the 'emergency contact' program started a few years ago... The elders around here became real anal retentive about it. They were unrelenting. You had to give them an emergency contact with an address where you were going to flee to in the case of an emergency.
They would not give it up. My in-laws have nobody where they can flee to in Canada. So they gave a relative in Europe. And these stupid, idiotic elders accepted that. One elder even wanted to call these relatives to okay the whole deal. And he didn't speak the language. WTH
Like as if 'there's a flood' and you are 'off to the airport for a trip to the old country.'
Just seeing how mindlessly these fools persued the issue gives me pause.
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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DATA-DOG7 minutes ago
Surely we could ( I say "we", meaning faders ) have some legal document that trumps the WTBTS's document? If you really feel that you must sign it for fear of being DF'd, which I understand, you could have a lawyer help you make another document that nulls the WTBTS death warrant
I should have thought of that!
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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StephaneLaliberte2 hours ago
As a reminder, you should provide copies of your completed Advance Decision document to (1) those who served as witnesses, (2) your General Practitioner (doctor), and (3) your congregation secretary.
This is coercion. Someone saying no ...
You may believe that filling out the ADD, sending them copies and then, going to a lawyer and doctors to give them different sets of instruction will get you out of this gem. Well. No.
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Actually Steph... YES.
The point is, if a newly awakened JW gets in an accident, and they are not going to refuse blood, then they will wake up DF'd anyway, regardless of the paperwork. You are talking about after the 'horse is out of the barn'.
The point is, how can one stay hidden at the congo while the horse is still in the barn.
The point is, NOT getting DF'd right now while still in perfect health.
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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Crazyguyan hour ago
"I think this is designed to relieve them of being sued by family after the victim dies. People who know ttatt and apostates that still have to go can just sign all the bull crap then throw thier card away."
Ah... no... If a copy is on file with the congo, then you cannot just throw it away dude. It'll show up at the damned hospital via the HLC... you understand that....no?
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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"The last "Medical Directive" card that I recieved was expected to be signed in front of a witness. I don't see a big change here."
Datadog. I think you didn't really read the post. maybe...
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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Some asking whether they can trust some internet guy. Good to be cautious.
LOL I remember back when the UN thing was all coming out. LOL again.
My wife found it on Facebook. Apparently it was released in the UK last week.
Coming here to North America next week.
My wife downloaded the BOE Letter and I have found places where the card has been put up on the web.
It takes a few days to get going, but it get's going.
We, or somebody, will put up the letter later.