PS to Janitor:
And where did the idea come from that I'm "starving somewhere in Canada"? That's also far from the truth.
Frank
Posts by fjtoth
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108The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 inand for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 inand for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
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fjtoth
Janitor,
Where did you pick up this idea that Frank Toth was Ray Franz' secretary? I've denied it several times and you keep saying it anyway. What's up?
Frank
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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#6
by Amazing indeceptive jw elders case#6 .
jw elders can be, and often are, deceptive in how they smear the names and events concerning former jws, especially where alleged apostasy is involved.. when i moved to a particular congregation, i was at first very impressed with the good camaraderie and the help we were given in getting settled.
the congregation was far more outgoing and often held events at a public park where they gathered to enjoy barbecue, swimming, sports, etc.
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fjtoth
Dia,
Trouble is, the only witnesses are these guys:
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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#6
by Amazing indeceptive jw elders case#6 .
jw elders can be, and often are, deceptive in how they smear the names and events concerning former jws, especially where alleged apostasy is involved.. when i moved to a particular congregation, i was at first very impressed with the good camaraderie and the help we were given in getting settled.
the congregation was far more outgoing and often held events at a public park where they gathered to enjoy barbecue, swimming, sports, etc.
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fjtoth
AL,
I got a reply from a circuit overseer's wife in Toronto who was pretty upset, but no others in "full-time service" wrote back. I sent it to hundreds of missionaries and Bethelites that I knew in various branches, but heard not a word back from any of them. One "publisher" in my own congregation wrote back and called it "junk mail." Two Bethelites in Brooklyn read it and said nothing at the time, but they're now out of the organization, not due to my letter but because of their own wrestling with WT contradictions. One of them left Bethel a few years ago. He just left JWs this year due to the Silent Lambs issue. He said he knows of at least 3 other ex-Bethelites who will also be leaving JWs soon over that issue.
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HEY, anyone from Canada?
by Parsnips inhi, i'm a new member and i am trying to find people that i might know, or have something in common with.
if you are from canada, tell me from where....it would be funny to find someone i know or who has been to the same assemblies as me.
by the way, im disfellowshipped, in case anyone was wondering.
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fjtoth
Where is Canada? Is that some place up around Buffalo? (I'm from Erin in Ontario, an hour's drive NW from downtown T'ronta.)
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Ray Franz's Ex-Secretary Needs Help!
by Janitor inray franz's ex-secretary needs help!
a friend forwarded me the following e-mail written by an ex-jw.
looks like he is discouraged and needs some help.
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fjtoth
Dia,
Others have said I should write a book and that publishers will "often" pay money in advance if they can be convinced that the topic will sell. The best way to get a book published is via an agent, and there are plenty of them in Toronto. But they need a transcript or manuscript in advance. So, the question remains: Where does a guy find the time or even the mental energy when he's already burning the candle at both ends? At my age, I can't afford to take big risks. I've talked with others who've written books about JWs. Some have ended up giving away a good portion of them just to get back storage space being hogged for years by their unsold books. I sincerely appreciate your compliment and positive view, but I've already gone as far as I feel I can and should with the prospect.
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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#6
by Amazing indeceptive jw elders case#6 .
jw elders can be, and often are, deceptive in how they smear the names and events concerning former jws, especially where alleged apostasy is involved.. when i moved to a particular congregation, i was at first very impressed with the good camaraderie and the help we were given in getting settled.
the congregation was far more outgoing and often held events at a public park where they gathered to enjoy barbecue, swimming, sports, etc.
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fjtoth
Simon,
They sure do make up stories. We have a woman in town who was disfellowshiped about 8 months ago. A neighbour asked her if she would now be able to speak with me. Even though she claims she has no desire to go back, she said she fears getting anywhere near me because of the "huge church of apostates" that I organized and lead. She got that story from Bethel where here daughter works part-time. They've also dreamed up stories about me organizing a gang to break up their circuit assemblies and other conventions. They even formed a brigade of special attendants to handle the pack of rowdies that they expected me to be leading. The truth is, I'm just super glad to be free, and the only time I ever give JWs a thought is when someone brings up the subject. I go through Georgetown two or three times a week, and I hardly ever think to glance at the WT property and buildings as I pass by. It's amusing yet sad to see Bethelites cross the street in order to avoid me. It's also amusing to see them smile in response to my smile when we meet suddenly and then see the smile turn immediately into a scowl when they realize what they just did.
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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#6
by Amazing indeceptive jw elders case#6 .
jw elders can be, and often are, deceptive in how they smear the names and events concerning former jws, especially where alleged apostasy is involved.. when i moved to a particular congregation, i was at first very impressed with the good camaraderie and the help we were given in getting settled.
the congregation was far more outgoing and often held events at a public park where they gathered to enjoy barbecue, swimming, sports, etc.
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fjtoth
Yes, I'm Frank. My story is at http://formerjw.homestead.com.
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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#6
by Amazing indeceptive jw elders case#6 .
jw elders can be, and often are, deceptive in how they smear the names and events concerning former jws, especially where alleged apostasy is involved.. when i moved to a particular congregation, i was at first very impressed with the good camaraderie and the help we were given in getting settled.
the congregation was far more outgoing and often held events at a public park where they gathered to enjoy barbecue, swimming, sports, etc.
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fjtoth
Frank Toth was never disfellowshiped. He wrote a letter of disassociation that you can read at http://formerjw.homestead.com. It was this letter that he left under the doors of the Bethelites on the last day he was there in June 1994. They got to their rooms and saw the letter after he was off the property.
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Ray Franz's Ex-Secretary Needs Help!
by Janitor inray franz's ex-secretary needs help!
a friend forwarded me the following e-mail written by an ex-jw.
looks like he is discouraged and needs some help.
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fjtoth
This is ol' Frank himself. It looks like there's a bit of misinformation floating around. I tho't some clarification might be in order. Number 1: I was sec'y and chauffer to a few on the GB, but never to Ray Franz. Number 2: I'm far from being discouraged. I'm down and out financially and getting hardly anything for a pension, but my letter specifically stated that I'm not cryin' the blues. I wrote to a few friends simply to let them know why I was intending to give up my phone and email. Number 3: Yes, I was a pastor 1995-7 until the local community church could find one of their own who had gone to their Bible college. I was picked because nobody else in the church had experience in public speaking. Far from being a cult, the church is actively engaged in community projects the year round and often shares fellowship meals with all the other churches in town. Number 4: No book from me is on the horizon. I work night shift and have a part-time day job. There's no way I can give up either and still keep paying the bills. Number 5: I conduct a weekly Bible study, and we decided to call ourselves Abrahamic Faith Fellowship on the invitations and bulletins we distribute. We're far from being like the Christadelphians. Rigid and cultic? Somebody's got to be kidding! We've got trinitarians and non-trinitarians in the group, and there's been nothing but mutual respect and understanding for the 3 years we've been in operation. Number 6: I was far from being "confused" when Nathan Knorr and George Gangas jumped down my throat when I told them about some so-called "new light" that I discovered in the ka book. I went to the Writing Dept. simply to get some reinforcement in case I had a run-in with those two again. For what it's worth in modern currency, you've now got my two cents worth. This is my first time on www.Jehovah's-Witnesses.com and I must say it was a bit of a surprise to see my name and letter at the first shot.