Posts by fjtoth

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

What a great picture! I personally knew all 16 of the Bethelites pictured on that front page of the 5/15/84 Watchtower. Some were very good friends of mine, two of them attending the same Kingdom Hall where I attended. I'm almost certain every one of them has died. How ironic! No doubt the designers of the page were convinced that every one of those persons would still be alive at the end of the "1914 generation" time period, but they're all now in the grave. I'm not in any way happy that they've died, but it isn't difficult to conceive that the same fate awaits every individual JW who continues to put his or her hope and trust in the Watchtower's man-made promise of the "1914 generation."

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Fisherman,

I thought you said you wanted to end the discussion about NHK. You wrote:

Lets leave it at that.

Are you having trouble making up your mind, or what?

Frank http://formerjw.homestead.com

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Fisherman,

Lets leave it at that.

Just remember that you were the one who raised the issue. You are a person who didn't know NHK personally, and you challenged someone who did know him personally. If you wanted to accuse me of lying about NHK, you should have offered some kind of evidence or proof. All you've offered is an opinion, and I don't think that's good enough.

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Fisherman, What I object to is your labeling me and others as enemies of NHK. We never treated him as an enemy or viewed him as such. But we did observe the way he treated others. I find it objectionable that you defend his mistreatment of others when you were not even there and you did not even know the man as some of us did. However, I think it's amusing that my letter has been up on the internet for 12 years and you are the first person in all those years to challenge it. Your contradiction could be taken seriously if it wasn't based upon mere hearsay. Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Fisherman,

Everyone has enemies, even Jesus had them. NHK had them too His enemies do not say nice things about him. Not comparing NHK to him, but all you are saying is hearsay according to you. You do not have all of the facts or do you?

I think the question ought to be: How much do YOU know? You seem quite intent on defending a gruff and bossy man to the extent of even bringing up Jesus' name for comparison. Persons who truly knew NHK would not say mainly "nice things about him" unless they were afflicted with the hero worship that many JWs render toward members of their governing body. Such adulation of sinful men must most certainly be repulsive to God and Christ.

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Fisherman,

I skimmed through your article that you linked. I dont agree about your conclusions about NHK are accurate or that they fairly describe the man. On the other hand the man was modest and humble and found the time to be active in the ministry inspite of his busy schedule. As you may recall, when he had to give up power,( I know he was ill) but even before his ilness, the man did not oppose, Understandibly he kicked but he went along. Many good things can be recognized about the man by those who knew him.

You have got to be kidding!!! I lived in the same house as NHK for the last 20 years of his life. I was his chauffer at times, and I spoke to him often at mealtimes and on the way to and from work. Far too many times I heard him belittle others in the presence of many others. I think I have a much better idea than you do concerning what kind of a man he was. Never in my life have I met someone who so much caused others to tremble and who shamelessly flaunted the power he possessed over others. I remember some Bethelites who were visibly shaken at hearing his name even after he died!

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

3rd,

You wrote:

The problem with AlanF's insistance that parousia in Matt 24 can only correctly be translated as coming or advent and certainly not presence is that it is based solely on the fact that he has this great obsession to prove JWs wrong.

Isn't it the other way around? Who started this thread? Who is trying to prove who wrong? We don't accept the preposterous mental gymnastics employed by the Watchtower Society. We think their explanations are absolutely silly as well as unscriptural. You are the one with the obsession. You want us to change our minds to accept what is totally unreasonable and truly ridiculous. Open your eyes, man. How blind can you be to what you're really all about and out to accomplish? Only a person with a magnificent OBSESSION could keep plugging away as you do though you are shown to be totally wrong time and time again.

Frank