Posts by fjtoth

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Anyone know who wrote the Truth book?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

as a kid, i remember hearing that "the truth that leads to everlasting life" was the best-selling book of all time besides the bible.

if that's true, then whoever wrote the "truth" book is the second-best-selling author in the history of the world--second only to god!

ray franz's books mention the authors of several society publications, but i don't believe he says who wrote the truth book.

fjtoth

Fisherman,

In the book, In Search of Christian Freedom, Ray Franz mentions "Sam Buck, of the Writing Department staff." When I left Bethel, Sam had been in the Writing Dept. for many years.

Since Barbara Anderson worked in the Writing Dept., I think we can trust she's got it right when she says Harry Peloyan was the writer of the Truth book. After I saw what she wrote, it came back to my mind that I heard the same thing when I was in Brooklyn. Sam was one of several men who led classes for new entrants to Bethel. When my wife and I returned to Bethel in 1971, Karl and Joel Adams were our teachers.

Frank

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Apostolic Succession ?

by a Christian in

james c,.

you wrote: the belief of apostolic succession is not a distinctly roman one.

the orthodox as well as the anglicans hold to it.

fjtoth

Joseph, Your comment shows clear and deep perception. I, for one, learned from it and appreciate it. And Mike ("a Christian"), you did a good job too. Thanks to you both. Frank

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

A neighbor of the murder victim wrote to the local newspaper saying police officers live in the area and believe they know who is responsible. But they need to gather all the evidence before making an arrest so as not to end up with a hung jury or mistrial. The police and detectives are saying this was not a random act, and neighbors believe they are telling the truth, not simply trying to make the community feel safer. Prayers are being said for the Lord to give the detectives the information they need so they can make an early arrest.

The above neighbor claims nothing was missing from the home though there was a bit of ransacking before the murder. Another neighbor claims, however, that the murder(s) did steal several items.

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Anyone know who wrote the Truth book?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

as a kid, i remember hearing that "the truth that leads to everlasting life" was the best-selling book of all time besides the bible.

if that's true, then whoever wrote the "truth" book is the second-best-selling author in the history of the world--second only to god!

ray franz's books mention the authors of several society publications, but i don't believe he says who wrote the truth book.

fjtoth

Barbara,

Thanks for those great insights and peeps into the past -- a little like a taste of home.

All the best to you and Joe.

Frank

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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C

by Amazing in

the following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.

the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.

i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.

fjtoth

Uzzah,

Thanks. Good advice. I agree this hasn't been the best kind of discussion. I tend to wish it hadn't happened. Sometimes it's hard to know where to draw the line in defending friends and pounding away at what we believe are distortions. Good motives can soon be bent out of shape and unfold into a shoddy defense of one's ego and agenda. E+E+A=C states it well.

I won't say nothing good came from this sometimes raucos exchange, but very likely the passing of time and other experiences in each of our lives would have brought about an equal or even better outcome. Uzzah, I always respect your opinion.

Frank

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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C

by Amazing in

the following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.

the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.

i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.

fjtoth

Hi Toreador,

I'm glad you liked the cartoons. Apparently the administrator or an assistant didn't because they've all been taken down. But I don't mind. They were up long enough that some folks got to see them.

I agree that Caputo was more notorious as a proselytizer. It would be a sad thing if his old campaign underwent a revival on CC. I'm with you in hoping that this episode is dropped by the wayside.

Frank

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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C

by Amazing in

the following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.

the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.

i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.

fjtoth

Alanmarais,

You seem to have problems of your own that need attention. Who are the "lots of us" I've made fun of? Who received emails from me that were "so much fire on people"? Either you're making up stories or you've listened to gossipers who don't know what they're talking about. You pretend to know so much about me, yet you have no idea where I attend church or if I even do. You have no idea whether the group is large or small, but you pretend to know.

I agree Jim W is a gentleman and has done good deeds within the courtroom. But you have no idea what I've done or not done in courtrooms, or how often. I'm glad you stand with Jim. There are others who stand with me. So???

I have no idea what your relationship has been with Jim Penton, but it's mere malicious gossip when I read what you say against him behind his back. Instead of judging people, in this thread you should be judging what has been stated at Channel C. To call someone a know-it-all is to attack a person's character without being specific. You're merely spreading wicked rumors with all the other things you've written about Jim and Ros as persons.

You say you're not Catholic, yet you pretend to know more about them than some of us who grew up with them in our families. Before you start spreading negative stories about the Bible Students and others, it would do you good to study more about them as well as about Catholicism. A little learning never hurt anybody.

Frank

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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C

by Amazing in

the following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.

the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.

i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.

fjtoth

Hi Carlos :

My mother's side of the family is Roman Catholic with two uncles and two cousins in the Mafia. I have another cousin who sends me Catholic stuff in postal mail and email just about every month. And once they get on your case, they can't seem to take no for an answer. About as bad as JWs.

It amuses me when a recent convert to Catholicism insinuates that the rest of us have no idea what the religion really is.

Frank

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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C

by Amazing in

the following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.

the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.

i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.

fjtoth

Whereami:

Isn't it just as weird that you felt it necessary to comment on my comments? It seems you're doing the same thing you feel I shouldn't do. Additionally, I know none of us can please everybody. If you didn't get the point of my cartoons, others did, and some said they appreciated them. I have no idea where you and Jim got the idea that somebody is "crying" over this topic. I never told Jim to "shut up" but there were times on CC when I wished he did. He claims he wasn't trying to convert anybody, but the majority felt that was his only intention. There are scholarly and other brilliant persons on CC who felt Jim frequently went too far with his proseletyzing. His frequent denials never appeared to convince anybody but those few who share his Roman Catholic beliefs.

Frank

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Anyone know who wrote the Truth book?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

as a kid, i remember hearing that "the truth that leads to everlasting life" was the best-selling book of all time besides the bible.

if that's true, then whoever wrote the "truth" book is the second-best-selling author in the history of the world--second only to god!

ray franz's books mention the authors of several society publications, but i don't believe he says who wrote the truth book.

fjtoth

I was told it was written by Karl Adams with some help from Sam Buck. Still, I wouldn't swear by that.