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  Time is their enemy

  by LDH in

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  tick, tick, tick.. the governing body is dying one by one, faster now.. young people who thought they would never see themselves getting old now take meds for cholesterol, alzheimers, diabetes, blood pressure.. the end isn't here.. tick, tick, tick.. kids who walked away from the wt after being warned that they would die like a dog in the streets instead are very successful young people with real jobs, families, and assets.. empty threats stop having an effect.

  apathy sets in.

  automatons attend the meetings.

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  Time is their enemy

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tick, tick, tick.. the governing body is dying one by one, faster now.. young people who thought they would never see themselves getting old now take meds for cholesterol, alzheimers, diabetes, blood pressure.. the end isn't here.. tick, tick, tick.. kids who walked away from the wt after being warned that they would die like a dog in the streets instead are very successful young people with real jobs, families, and assets.. empty threats stop having an effect.

  apathy sets in.

  automatons attend the meetings.

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  The situation with many old-timers is very, very sad. One long-time Bethelite told me 12 years ago when I was about to leave, "I've invested too many years in the organization to pull out now." Since then he has added 12 years of time and energy and life to his investment, if he is still alive!

  The more that is invested, the greater the loss. Old persons who have spent their lives in full-time service have no funds to fall back on. If they're able to get a job, it has to be for low wages. To squeeze by and stay out of debt, they have to depend upon the government or even upon an organization like Catholic Charities! They can count on it that the WT organization won't hand them even a dollar.

  The exception, of course, are elderly Bethelites who live in lavish comfort without a care in the world as the organization's doctors, nurses, dentists, chiropractors, cooks and housekeepers look after their every need. When I was a Bethelite, I used to feel ashamed when some outspoken JW would mention this. With mixed emotions I viewed the person as having "a bad attitude," but deep down I knew he or she was so right about the unfairness of it all.

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  The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but do not perform. They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. ... “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!" (Matthew 23:2-4, 23, 24, NWT)

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  WT desparate: Aug 15 WT- In Our Next Issue: When A Loved One Leaves Jehovah

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no, i don't have this article yet, it will appear in the sep 1, 2006 wt.

  it may even be a wt study article.. in the august 15 watchtower, the box "in our next issue" has three forthcoming articles, and one of them is "when a loved one leaves jehovah".

  of interest, it's not when a loved one leaves the society, it's jehovah.. will keep you posted.

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  My view is that what has been published in the elders' textbook will simply be reinforced. The Society is aware that so-called "apostates" are more skilled than ever at refuting JW teachings, and they feel a need like never before to "protect the flock." Elders and family members who make an effort to encourage "apostates" to return are putting themselves at great risk of getting their own doubts reinforced as they listen to reasons given for leaving the organization.

  I think the paragraphs in the new "release" (Live With Jehovah's Day in Mind) have reference to persons who sort of drift away, not to those who take the more serious action of deliberately leaving the organization.

  Frank
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  Taped Call w/ JR Brown on Cano

  by Synergy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on the silent lambs site there is a taped call with a media person and jr. brown.

  he stated that jw's don't proclaim or feel that they have special chosen ones to lead nor do they feel as though they are the sole organization to get to god.

  what crap!

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  If there is going to be a new generation of GB, they will be hand picked figure-heads and yes-men of the Legal Dept.

  I wouldn't rush to that conclusion. I saw how things worked at headquarters for 40 years, and I just can't imagine Ted Jaracz and some of the others in power stepping aside. If they did, it would be easily observed at Bethel, and the disillusionment of seeing "the anointed" no longer in control would be leaked to elders, circuit overseers, district overseers and the branches. That would give the worldwide organization a tremendous setback. No, I think headquarters is too tightly knit together for that to happen. For years the legal departments have experienced frustrations due to the limitations placed upon them by "the old men" of the GB. I really doubt that has changed.

  I believe a lot of consultation continues to take place, but in the final analysis the GB and persons like Don Adams and Max Larson still have the final say.
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  Hemoglobin-Based Oxygen Carriers - August 2006 Awake!

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i think this is the first clear, official statement regarding hemoglobin-based products.

  awake!

  august 2006, front page title "blood: why so valuable?".

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  Obeying the Watchtower Society, as if the organization were God himself, JWs prefer to die and to let their children die rather than allow doctors to administer a blood transfusion.
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  New guy from Toronto

  by Martyn in

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  2. friends

  new guy from toronto.

  just enjoying the posts.

  i haven't been to a meeting in years, i was baptisted 1990. it seems like yesterday.

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  Welcome, Marty!

  Glad to have you aboard. We'd like to hear more about your history in connection with the JWs. I live northwest of Toronto. You can read my story at http://formerjw.homestead.com.

  Frank
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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  fjtoth

  Barbara,

  I can't tell you how much I appreciate your comments here and elsewhere in the forum. Sometimes I get pretty lonely way up here, isolated as I am from other former JWs who are still believers but who haven't gone off the deep end with some other odd group. Having contacts through this forum is therapeutic for me, when I have time for it. It's especially thrilling to hear from folks like you who I know from my years in Brooklyn. I wish you and Joe lots and lots of blessings for the good work you do that truly benefits so many.

  Frank
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  Taped Call w/ JR Brown on Cano

  by Synergy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on the silent lambs site there is a taped call with a media person and jr. brown.

  he stated that jw's don't proclaim or feel that they have special chosen ones to lead nor do they feel as though they are the sole organization to get to god.

  what crap!

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  One of the more shocking moments was when he said christians have to EARN god's blessing. JWs truly are saved by works, not by grace.

  I noticed that too, Lisa. As long as he was using so much "theocratic war strategy," I tho't it was strange that he didn't try to hide what seems to many to be one of the WT's most odious doctrines. Of course, we are to obey Christ and keep his commandments to love God and others. But, as we all know, the JW concept of works embraces regular meeting attendance, regular field service, regular study of WT literature, etc. Those are the "works" Brown obviously had in mind. If a JW isn't doing his best to be regularly engaged in these works for the organization, he's doomed as much as if he were an apostate. Poor soul!
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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  fjtoth