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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Thirdwitness wrote:

fjthoth: If it didn't "belong" to the apostles 'to know when Jesus would begin to rule as king in God's Kingdom,' why does it "belong" to the Watchtower Society?
Because Daniel 12:4 tells us “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”

JWs preach that "the time of the end" did not begin until 1914. So you still haven't answered my question. Jesus said it was none of the business of the apostles to know in advance when the Kingdom would be established, and you seem to be saying it was the business of C. T. Russell. Are you saying "the time of the end" began BEFORE 1914? Where in the Scriptures do you find that C. T. Russell had greater authorization from God than the apostles had? (Acts 1:6) Frank

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Thirdwitness wrote:

All we know is the Gentile times came to an end in October, 1914 and Jesus as the newly empowered king of God's kingdom began to cast him out at that time. Ever since then the world has steadily gotten worse. Woe for the earth. Your argument is really pointless.

How uninformed JWs are! In the generation BEFORE 1914 --

Racial prejudice fostered segregation, separate drinking fountains and lynch mobs.
Wife-beating was a commonly accepted practice. Child abuse and spousal abuse went mostly unreported, unnoticed, and unpunished.
Most people were compelled to work from childhood to adulthood, dawn till dusk, just to earn enough money to continue living.
Many people were treated as little more than "wage-slaves," being abused by factory owners during the industrial revolution, or by farmer land barons, in which case, the system itself was guilty of perpetrating countless "criminal" actions on vast numbers of people, "stealing" their lives and labor, returning "next to nothing" in exchange. From today's perspective, such a situation equals "crime" on a tremendous and pitiless scale.
Women and people of color were barred from various professions.
Women and people of color were paid far less than their due in any work situation. Women and children worked in sweatshops and mills 12 hours and more a day with only one day off per week for nickels and dimes, without health insurance, unemployment compensation, safety in the workplace, and with a status a notch above slavery. Children labored in factories, mines, and fields.
Less than a generation before 1914, genocide was practiced on Indian tribes.
Less than a generation before 1914, the American Civil War set "brother against brother" in one of the bloodiest periods of human history.
The Wild West flaunted its lack of law and order.
Even up to the turn of the century New York and other big cities had annual increases in crime that exceeded today's.
Very, very few people knew what a bathtub, telephone or automobile are.
There were very few paved roads.
Poor families could not afford an education for their children.
The child mortality rate was exceedingly high.
The average lifespan was between thirty to forty years shorter than today.
There were very few hospitals. Pneumonia, tuberculosis, polio, diarrhea were among the leading causes of death.
Medicines often did more harm than good. Heroin was sold over the counter as a sedative for coughs, and cocaine was sold as a toothache remedy for children.
Amputations and other operations were performed without effective pain-killers.
Etc., etc.

JWs ought to pay attention to Ecclesiastes 7:10: "Do not say: 'Why has it happened that the former days proved to be better than these?' for it is not due to wisdom that you have asked about this."

If JWs are right and the Devil is responsible for the way things now are, our vastly improved way of life since 1914 indicates that he can't be so bad, after all!

Frank

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

How many consult the Insight book when they want to know about a certain person in the Bible? Raise your hand. Probably all of you. Why?

This question indicates great ignorance concerning how the "Insight" volumes were compiled. I was there. There would be no "Insight" volumes if there had not been the book "Aid to Bible Understanding." That book in turn was put together from informtion obtained from hundreds of sources outside the Watchtower Society. The Watchtower Society raided Christendom's pantry and then gave credit to itself for cooking up a delicious meal of spiritual food.

I served 40 years at Bethel and often had access to the libraries of those who work in the Writing Department. The vast majority of publications in those libraries were not produced by the Watchtower Society but by members of Christendom's churches. The Watchtower condemns Christendom's churches but robs constantly from Christendom's sources without giving credit where credit is due.

Frank

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Really this is a poor attempt to discredit JWs.

JWs discredit themselves by their sheer dishonesty. You know very well that Russell predicted the END of the world for 1914, not Christ's return. He said Christ returned in 1874. Why don't you have enough truthfulness and honesty in your heart to admit it?

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