Posts by fjtoth

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

3rd,

You wanted Daniel to say, " Hey look boys and girls, 7 times is 2520 days and applying a day for a year as in other cases in the Bible we can arrive at the end of the Gentile Times, 1914." So you want to walk outside your door and find the treasure sitting on your front porch and not have to look at the map and dig for the treasure.

Aren't you being a bit pharisaical here? You know very well you didn't "dig deep" and study hard to come up with all this nonsense. You got it from the pages of Watchtower literature and from having it drummed into you at meetings and conventions. Yes, you went for a "walk outside your door" and found all this bunk "sitting on your front porch." Your map was the spoon feeding you got from the your fellow JWs. You certainly didn't "dig" into the Bible to discover it. No, you had it dished out to you, and you swallowed every bit of it without thinking deeply at all. After reading several of your posts, I really doubt you have the humility or honesty in your heart to admit this.

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

3rd,

In fact, if the difference is not shown and both words are translated as coming the whole context becomes confusing and the true meaning of what is being said is lost.

"Confusing," yes, to JWs but to nobody else! Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

DttPixies,

That is not the point, 3rd was answering the claim that no modern scholar believes "presence" is correct at Matthew 24.

Not true. 3rd was boasting about Vine's credentials in an effort to make him appear more believable than others.

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

HS,

ThirdWitness, . . . Your posts are becoming increasingly illogical and erratic.

I think most of us can say "Amen!" to that.

ThirdW,

But let me remind you of Vine's credentials:
W.E. Vine, M.A., was known in his day (1873-1949) as a classical scholar, a skilled expositor, and an acute theologian.

You forgot to mention he was a notable Trinitarian. Do you accept what he said about that too? Hmm?

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

If parousia signifies an "invisible presence," what did Jesus mean when he promised he would be invisibly present with his disciples "all the days, even to the end of the system of things"? (Matthew 28:20) Is Christ even more "invisibly present" since 1914, or what?

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

I chose to side with the evidence clearly found in God's word which JWs present.

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

Thirdwitness wrote:

I chose to side with the evidence clearly found in God's word which JWs present.

If "the evidence" is "clearly found in God's word," why was it that that the Watchtower Society was clearly confused about 1914 until 1953?

The Bible is indeed clear. It quotes Jesus as saying he would be invisibly present with his disciples "all the days, even to the end of the system of things." (Matthew 28:20)

The Bible does not teach that Jesus' return will be a greater "invisible presence." When he returns, "every eye will see him," not only his true disciples. (Rev. 1:7; Lu. 21:27; Mt. 24:27) What could be clearer than that?

Thirdwitness also wrote:

You want it on a silver platter as I said earlier but thats not the way it happens. You have to dig and search the Bible.

The Bible does offer the truth about Christ's return on a silver platter. The only reason the Watchtower Society has to "dig and search the Bible" is to get away from accepting the clearly presented simple truth about Christ's return.

And so, the Society has confused itself.

First the members of the Society taught that Christ would return to the earth in 1874. When that didn't happen, they said he returned invisibly in that year. At the same time, they said the end of the world would take place in 1914. When that didn't happen, they blamed God, saying he had misled them for a purpose, to accomplish a cleansing among them. In 1929 they published a book called "Prophecy," and on page 65 they claimed they had "absolute scriptural proof" that Christ had really come back in 1874. In 1943, they trashed the 1874 date and replaced it with 1914. Today, every JW dismisses all this confusion and claims that Christ returned invisibly in 1914 and that he will come in a final way at the time of Armageddon.

Yes, to arrive at the conclusions served up by the Watchtower Society, one must indeed "dig and search," but one will not find those conclusions set forth in the pages of the Bible!

Frank

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

fjtoth

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.