Posts by fjtoth
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1380The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
frank like you said you were a jw for over 40 years you know for a fact jws use the bible they are diligent bible students
WRONG AGAIN! I was a JW for over 50 years, and I know for a fact that JWs do not study the Bible diligently. They read and underline their Watchtower publications! Very few JWs have their Bibles underlined like they have the Watchtower underlined. If they DO underline the Bible, it's only to show that they found something there that seems to support what they've already read in the Watchtower. I left JWs when for the first time in my life I began to read and study the Bible to find out what it really DOES say.
Frank
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
It's amazing that you can't see the difference! I quoted the Bible to you. See my posts on the preceding page. And all you've done is tell us what the Watchtower teaches! There is a great big difference staring you right in the face, and you still can't see it.
That reminds me of Jesus calling the Pharisees blind guides leading the blind. The Watchtower Society is as blind as the Pharisees, but you prefer to follow them than to listen to Jesus. How sad!
Frank
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
yes we do need time you have your interpretation of the bible we have ours.
Wrong again! I have the Bible and you have the Watchtower's interpretation. It's as simple as that!
Frank
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
we can debate all day long.the fact is only time will tell.
You are wrong 100 percent. We don't need "time." All you need is the Bible, but you prefer to listen instead to the false prophecies of the Watchtower Society. Yes, in time you will see how wrong they were and how wrong you were, but then it may be too late.
Put the Watchtower aside and read the Bible instead. It will give you a clearer view of what the future holds. The Watchtower is just painting for you a delusion.
also called the time of the end
So, you see! You're just repeating again what the Watchtower told you. But nowhere in the Bible will you read that there is another period called "the time of the end." If Jesus was here, he would tell you that the Watchtower is deceiving you. He warned you against false prophets and false teachers like the Watchtower Society, but you wouldn't listen! Frank
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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1380
The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
rank your correct they did live in the last days.they lived in the last days of the Jewish system.but there would be a future judgement the time of the end.or are you saying the last days have come and gone.and there is no future judgement?now ask your self do you see what the bible says or do you only see what your own heart tells you.because you want the jws to be wrong so badly.
Where do you read in the Bible that all these "last days" texts refer to the Jewish system? Isn't that what you read in The Watchtower? You surely did not read it in the Bible. So, who is the one whose "heart" is telling him the definition of "the last days." I'm going by the Bible, and you are going by The Watchtower. There is a big difference! Frank
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
the bible says there would be a point in time called the last days the time of the end.when jehovah.would take action.at this time Jesus will judge as king of Gods kingdom.
PMJ2,
The Watchtower Society misled many of us into thinking that "the last days" is a period connected with Christ's return. But Hebrews 1:2 says this: "God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son." Of course, if you read this in the New World Translation, you may note that it tries to hide the fact that the last days began in the first century.
But here is what Romans 13:11, 12, says: "[Do] this, too, because you people know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers. The night is well along; the day has drawn near." Verse 11 says that "it is already the hour."
And then, there's 1 Peter 4:7: "But the end of all things has drawn close. Be sound in mind, therefore, and be vigilant with a view to prayers."
"But," somebody will say, "the Bible speaks of a coming period called 'the last days'." JWs refer to 2 Timothy 3:1-5, where the Apostle Paul put it this way: "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away."
Notice that Paul was writing about people in his own day. He told Timothy that he himself should "turn away" from such people. And that sounds very much like the closing words of the first chapter of Romans, which speaks of a time of incredible inhumanity, when senseless violence will occur, when people will seemingly forsake all the normal strictures against injury to others and there will be crimes of incredible malice and evil. That time of Romans 1 was the first century, and those last days have continued down to our day.
The Watchtower Society says the last days began in 1914, but the Bible writer says they existed during the ministry of Jesus, when God spoke "to us by means of a Son." (Hebrews 1:2, New World Translation) WHO DO YOU BELIEVE, the Bible writer or the Watchtower Society? I prefer the Bible.
Frank
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
3rd witness talks about Jesus coming in to power in 1914.i agree with him.every one has been giving him a hard time
Keep in mind that "3rd witness" started this thread, thereby challenging the hundreds of us in this forum to respond. It's not our fault if you (and perhaps he) thought we weren't up to the challenge. Frank
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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fjtoth
PMJ2,
3rd witness talks about Jesus coming in to power in 1914.i agree with him.every one has been giving him a hard time saying.well if that's the case what has Jesus been doing the last 100 years.well i find that kinda unreasonable.because if what your saying is correct that Jesus was king and had been given authority in the 1st century.then let me ask you what has Jesus been doing as king the last 2000 years.kinda contradicting don't you think.
The big difference is this: The Bible says Jesus has been searching hearts and judging and ruling as God's agent for 2,000 years, but JWs claim he's been doing that only since 1914. Jesus' enemies were made his footstool 2,000 years ago, not just since 1914.