so behave your selves.
i am shut down tomorrow the 1oth.. dont say thank god!!!!!!!!
cos if i dont"kick the bucket while moving" i will be back to send misbehaviors to their room..... love ya all even those who dont love me :).
Hi Grace,
I'm still keeping my head and keeping the faith. I've just been busy with two part-time jobs, but havin' lots of fun doing them. So, don't send the police to look for me like you did last time I disappeared for awhile!
Luv ya, and hope your move from the one place to the other goes smooth and well.
Frank
so behave your selves.
i am shut down tomorrow the 1oth.. dont say thank god!!!!!!!!
cos if i dont"kick the bucket while moving" i will be back to send misbehaviors to their room..... love ya all even those who dont love me :).
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Wayne L,
It is quite contradictory to say as you do, "I want proof!," and to also make the following unfounded assertion:
The confusion arising from the generic God/Lord in the NT can be blamed entirely on the the superstitious, ungodly first/second century Jews.
You are overlooking (ignoring???) at least three historical facts:
Frank
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Wayne L,
In a previous post you mentioned 1000s and 100s. Now it's a few.
How about giving me the "major proof" that I've changed from "1000s and 100s" to "a few." I think you're simply playing games, Wayne. I doubt you have any interest in truth whatever. After all the evidence we've sent your way, you should be saying "Thanks, Guys! I see I don't know JWs as well as I thought I did. You've really opened my eyes, and I'm sincerely grateful that you have."
Wayne, I was a JW for 50 years. Some of the highest ranking members of the headquarters hierarchy in Brooklyn were among my best friends. Without an ounce of braggadocio, I can say truthfully and honestly that I know far better than you do what JWs are all about. The fact that you won't accept plain and simple statements from knowledgeable persons says much about your lack of humility and sincerity. You will never comprehend the truth about JWs as long as you put up a barrier between yourself and simple facts that guileless persons accept at face value.
Where is your proof of 1000s of deaths fron lack of transfusions. I've read all about the few. I didn't read about your 1000s. Prove this and don't use the net. I want proof!
If only one person died from following the misguided instructions of a religious organization, it would be bad enough. But it doesn't bother you, Wayne, that a "few" have died from following those unscriptural instructions. As a JW, you are aware of the fact that more than merely a few have died, but even if the number were in the tens of thousands, it wouldn't bother you. All that matters to you is loyalty to an organization, no matter how bloodguilty that organization is in the eyes of God. Your only concern is for the approval of men in Brooklyn and in your local congregation, not the approval of the Almighty God before whom you will someday stand to give an accounting for your devotion to such sinful and misguided men. How ironic -- and hypocritical -- it is that, though you yearn for men's approval, you are willing to secretly disobey their instructions by visiting this forum and participating in it.
Jesus asked the Pharisees, “Who will be the man among you that has one sheep and, if this falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not get hold of it and lift it out? All considered, of how much more worth is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the sabbath.” (Matthew 12:11, 12) He would ask Jehovah's Witnesses, "Who will be the man among you that has one sheep and, if a law of God must be violated to save its life -- a law as sacred as the Sabbath law given to the Jews -- will not violate that law for the sake of the sheep? All considered, of how much more worth is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful, and it is a fine thing, to give a blood transfustion in order to save a life!."
Frank
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Wayne L,
Why have you been dishonest by denying that you are a JW? You are lying to us, and you are being deceptive with your own WT Society that instructs you to stay away from so-called "apostate" websites.
Only an ardent believer in JW theories would insist that the name Jehovah was in the original Greek Scripture manuscripts, even though there isn't a shred of evidence for such a claim. There isn't even one ancient Greek Scripture manuscript that supports you and your organization, and there isn't even one reputable scholar who would risk his reputation by claiming what the WT Society claims about the occurence of Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures.
It was not omitted by the NT writers because Jehovah/Yahweh all of a sudden inspired them to substitute his name for Lord and God. Would he inspire it to be in the OT 7000 times and not once in the NT? Would that make any sense?
That is pure JW logic or, rather, the lack of logic. You are going by your private interpretation of Scripture rather than by the physical evidence that shouts in thunderous tones that JWs are completely wrong about the name Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures.
Frank, Can you give major proof of any of this?
If you truly are concerned about "major proof," how about giving us some "major proof" for your claim, a claim that is completely unsubstantiated by every trace of evidence that can be found anywhere in the world today?
Frank
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Wayne L,
All that I wrote in my brief entry has been well documented many times and in many places. I'm surprised and a bit puzzled that you seem to question what is fairly well known. Try a Google search for "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "Malawi." Try also "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "blood transfusions." The May 22, 1994 Awake!, published by the WT Society, admitted that several children died due to following the Society's teaching on blood transfusions -- a teaching, mind you, that has no basis in the Scriptures. A month later I left the organization, after discovering elsewhere that the number of JWs who died due to refusing a blood transfusion numbered into the thousands. Additionally, try "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "pedophiles," also, "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "college education."
What sort of documentation do you need in order to be satisfied that grandparents truly are denied visitation to their grandchildren by the WT Society? Right here in my neighbourhood are two couples who are denied access to relatives where children are involved. One couple is not allowed to see their grandchildren, and the other couple have a son who never sees his grandparents because they are JWs and want nothing to do with him and his parents! The sin of these two xJW couples is merely that they decided they no longer wanted to be JWs. They didn't go on an attack against the organization. They simply were tired of the numerous inconsistencies between the organization and the Bible and decided to drop out.
My own father died several years ago, and I wasn't told about it by my JW mother, brother or sister. I found out three years after the fact from a Catholic cousin who was surprised that I didn't know. JWs say there is no "natural affection" in the world while they live in denial of the lack of compassion and affection that prevails in their own organization.
You made the claim earlier that you spent "35 years, trying to disprove Witness doctrine." With all due respect, I wonder how seriously you went about such study if you are unaware of what is most painfully obvious about their reputation. Jehovah's Witnesses are plainly living in denial. That should be one of the first things noticed by someone who claims to have spent many years examining their teachings and claims.
Frank
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Wayne L.,
A person has to be pretty naive to ignore the bad and to speak only of the "good" that JWs do. You seem totally unfamiliar with their record in Africa where thousands of them died due to a silly requirement of the Watchtower Society concerning political party cards. Ditto with the record of thousands dying due to their stand on blood transfusions. Surely hundreds have died from heartbreak due to their cruel disfellowshiping policy that doesn't allow grandparents to visit or even to see their grandchildren. Consider also their record of unlawful shelter of pedophiles and wife beaters. Due to being persuaded by the Watchtower Society to reject college and to put all their financial resources into the Society's activities, possibly millions of JWs have spent their old age in poverty or near-poverty conditions.
The Watchtower Society robs people of their human decency and good sense. Many JWs, probably the vast majority, gleefully look forward to the day when all non-JWs will be violently destroyed in a horrendous war of fiery destruction. JWs feel all such non-JWs are deserving of such painful treatment, even if they have devoted their entire lives to being doctors, nurses, etc. in a cause devoted to helping others.
I was a JW for 50 years, having been drawn into it by my mother when I was 8 years old and unable to make serious decisions for myself. During those 50 years I personally knew JWs who said they would murder and/or do other evil things if the governing body instructed them to do so, always adding the caveat "Of course, they would never ask me to do such a thing." To leave the organization is not something that a sincere member simply decides to do. It often takes years of anguished wrestling with doubts and with the consequences of being indoctrinated into devoutly believing that disobedience to the organization is basically the same as disobedience to God.
I for one am waiting for you to respond to what "keyser soze" wrote above: "It was either when you said they were never lied to or coerced in any way, or when you said that they were exposed to all types of literature, that no religious literature was banned. Anyone who has ever been a witness will tell you how completely false these statements are."
Frank
i was asked to post this by a paranoid jwder.
i'm an elder and have stated as much on this board.
call me paranoid, but i'd rather not stick my head up and say "hey bethel monitors, come after this guy!
i was asked to post this by a paranoid jwder.
i'm an elder and have stated as much on this board.
call me paranoid, but i'd rather not stick my head up and say "hey bethel monitors, come after this guy!
Awake! is SPECIAL only to persons . . .
Who are spiritually deaf and unable to hear true wisdom when it roars right by them.
Who are spiritually blind to the Watchtower Society as a false teacher and who instead use it as their seeing-eye dog.
Who walk, not personally and confidently with God and Christ, but by hobbling along with the WT Society as their spiritual crutch.
Who eventually lose all balance in walking through life and end up drifting aimlessly along with the WT Society as their wheelchair.
Whose cognitive impairment is seen in their unique forgetfulness of the Society's errors in date-setting and many other matters.
Whose learning difficulties are illustrated in their year-after-year view of the same old stuff as "new light."
Who are spiritually illiterate in their understanding of simple Bible teachings on matters such as "other sheep" and "faithful slave."
Whose lack of spiritual stamina is indicated by their need of five meetings a week to build up their faith in the Society.
Whose rigid knees are resistant to bending in humility as often shown by their arrogant boast that they alone are God's servants.
Who are spiritually dead in company with thousands of their fellow members who have literally died due to the Society's policies on blood, etc.
