The worshipers of Molech sacrificed their sons and daughters. (Jeremiah 32:35) The Watchtower Society does worse by sacrificing adults as well as children!
Posts by fjtoth
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58TRAGEDY ; YOUNG JW MOTHER DIES AFTER GIVING BIRTH
by stay young and beautiful inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/7078455.stm .
a young mother has died after giving birth to twins, following claims that she had refused a blood transfusion because of her faith.
jehovah's witness, emma gough, 22, from telford, shropshire, gave birth on 25 october.
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How many efforts to sway JWs have actually worked?
by sweetface2233 ini keep reading these threads about exposing the wts and sending letters to individual jws.
how many of these efforts have actually worked?
i've read books written by xjws and watched videos produced by them, but only after becoming one.
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fjtoth
A letter written by one of us to a JW has to be more than carefully thought out. The first reaction of a JW, generally speaking, is that he or she is hearing from a traitor, from someone who is unhappy on the outside and is wanting to get others to share his or her misery.
The more we leave them alone, the more they are likely to wonder why we seem so satisfied with the course we've taken. They keep waiting for the day we will show them recognition and possibly beg for re-admittance into the organization. I remember very well that this was what was going on in the minds of many while I was still part of the whole mess.
Frank
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How many efforts to sway JWs have actually worked?
by sweetface2233 ini keep reading these threads about exposing the wts and sending letters to individual jws.
how many of these efforts have actually worked?
i've read books written by xjws and watched videos produced by them, but only after becoming one.
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fjtoth
Uzzah mentioned the letter I wrote and placed under nearly every door at Canada Bethel. I also mailed the letter to over a thousand JWs I knew around the world, including at Brooklyn Bethel. If I had it to do over again, I would still have written the letter, but I would not have distributed it. It did me good to compile for my own edification and satisfaction the reasons I was leaving the organization, and the letter has seen some good results from being posted on the internet. But I doubt the typewritten letter was read by more than a mere few, if even that many.
Frank
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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's
by eclipse inprovided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.
to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.
the future of the work depends upon our young people.
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fjtoth
Uzzah:
Thanks for the kind words and good wishes. I've got to make one more visit to the hospital this afternoon. Hopefully it will be the last one, though I will have to keep an appointment with a doctor next month. My old energy has come back, so I'm really glad about that.
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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's
by eclipse inprovided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.
to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.
the future of the work depends upon our young people.
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fjtoth
When the true source of the letter is discovered and "exposed," as it most certainly will be, JWs will have more ammunition to back up their claim that "apostates" are hypocritical, that they lie and use deception in an attempt to mislead "even the chosen ones."
Additionally, JWs will become more convinced that sly and slippery methods are being used by those who left the organization because they are deservedly hurting and frustrated.
Frank
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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's
by eclipse inprovided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.
to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.
the future of the work depends upon our young people.
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fjtoth
skeeder:
The downside is just as legitimate as the upside. Our own experience and JW history confirm that the downside will prevail. Why waste effort on a lost cause?
Jesus said:
"Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." (Matthew 15:13, 14)
Lawyer Gamaliel said:
"So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action of men, it will be overthrown." (Acts 5:38)
These are Bible statements that I personally believe are valid. The WT Society will crumble in God's due time.
JWs enjoy being attacked, even in subtle ways. The letter, though admittedly well written, will do more to cheer them on.
Frank
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To the Body of Elders, Dear Brothers - a letter to send to individual JW's
by eclipse inprovided by jwd member: wingman original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/144020/6.ashx.
to the body of elders, dear brothers, it is with matters of great concern that we write you.
the future of the work depends upon our young people.
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fjtoth
Somehow I feel that this whole effort fails to take into account the general mindset of JW elders and the rank and file.
The opening sentence will move nearly every addressee to obediently throw the letter in the trash. So will the lack of a return address. The anonymity will appear cowardly.
Most who read beyond the opening sentence will rejoice to see what they consider to be "weeping and wailing" by so-called "apostates." In the end, even if a few are moved toward a sincere desire for reform, the majority will feel justified in continuing their cheerful scoffing at those who walk away from "God's organization." In other words: More harm than good will be the outcome.
My two cents worth.Frank
PS: This project reminds me so much of the Society's own fruitless "Tract Campaigns." A great organized effort with extemely little accomplished!
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Is there a site for fading JWs who remain non-trinitarian Christians?
by deborahs_song inif you know of one we would truly appreciate the link.. thank you,.
deborah and family .
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fjtoth
Drew,
Are you being honest?
I merely wrote "Trinitarians," and you claimed that was a "blanket statement." I didn't accuse all Trinitarians. My point was that there are Trinitarians who do what you accuse non-Trinitarians of doing. That is obvious from the question I raised. You pointed to bigotry on one side of the argument while ignoring it on the other side.
What's fair is fair. If you can label what I wrote as a "blanket statement" when it was no more comprehensive than what you wrote, why can't I identify what you wrote as a "blanket statement"? I think your bias against others is showing, just because their theology is different from yours.
Your argument against me that I claim non-Trinitarians have a higher moral character is baseless. I never made the claim so why argue with me about it as if I did?
Frank...
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Is there a site for fading JWs who remain non-trinitarian Christians?
by deborahs_song inif you know of one we would truly appreciate the link.. thank you,.
deborah and family .
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fjtoth
Drew,
I made no "blanket" assertion. I simply tried to show that your blanket assertion concerning non-Trinitarians should not be ignored. It seems to me you haven't much room to talk when suggesting that the behavior of others "is all too JW like."
You wrote that "Many groups use a rejection of the trinity to simply write off all other Christians as false believers." Who are those "many" groups? Can you name 5 or even 2 that reject the Trinity simply to "write off" all other Christians? Can you point to some reputable authority to substantiate your claim?
Just because JWs state that Trinitarians burned non-Trinitarians to death doesn't make the statement false. Non-JW historians make the same observation. Are they also "illogical" in your opinion?
Your "reasoning" is hypothetical when you ask "what exactly would have happened if a unitarian theology was embraced early on by the Christian community . . .[?]" That is something you don't know and about which you have no basis for making assumptions. The facts are in history, not in speculation.
Frank...
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Is there a site for fading JWs who remain non-trinitarian Christians?
by deborahs_song inif you know of one we would truly appreciate the link.. thank you,.
deborah and family .
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fjtoth
Many groups use a rejection of the trinity to simply write off all other Christians as false believers.
Ahem! Of course, Trinitarians don't write off others, do they?
To quote the Athanasian Creed:"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity . . ."
Catholics and Protestants have burned non-Trinitarians to death at the stake, even as late as the 19th century, but I've never heard of non-Trinitarians doing the same to them.Frank