Posts by Phil

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Stealing is OK IF.........................

by Beans in

so my brother in law (jw) has a satelite and he recently got the card that gives you all the channels without paying, so he was telling me this and said that he keeps the basic package and he dosen't feel so bad!.

yes only stealing a little must be ok now and if you are paying a bit for some of the service your consceince wont be bothered and you get all the porn a jw needs to survive without having the embarassment of anyone from the congregation seeing you rent a restricted movie!.

this is so funny i couldnt even say anything mang!.

Phil

Here's one.

I work for an engineering company where the OT performed by the employees is with the "honesty" policy. The amount of hours on the time card is left to the employee.

There was a need to do a lot of OT on a project so that I had to go to work on saturday with some fellow working stiffs. There was a JW in the group that spent all his overtime time in the womens john. At the end of the morning he would pack his things and go home. How honest was that. By the way, this was an engineering office that required the engineers and draftsmen to work OT, the ladies were the secretaries only. As there were no women there during the OT, this character took to hiding in the womens john.

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Daughter still in Patterson

by Phil in

my daughter was cohersed to marry her present husband and they moved to patterson to do what ever they do there.

it realy affected the family, particularly me.

i was wondering if there is anyone who reads these messages knows my daughter.

Phil

Hi Gold morning

I was wondering if there is a way you could let me know, through your brother, what is going on with my daughter. I don't know how this can be done without my daughter knowing that I am enquiring about her. My email is [email protected] if you can help

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They Finally Did It

by kelpie in

my parents have finally disowned me.. my dad called yesturday and told me to get the "dogs of my mothers back" about my upcoming wedding.. i told him that i havent put anyone on mum's back and if they are saying it, its because they want to and don't agree with what he and mum are doing.

i said that mum can speak for herself and he said that she and will and the next time you speak to your mother she will tell you that we dont want to ever speak to or see you again...".

at this point in the conversation i hung up the phone in his ear.

Phil

kelpie

I know how you feel. My condition is the reverse. I am the father and my daughter was enticed to join the JW. I believe that he told her she must join the JWs or they would not marry.

The local elders came to "visit" us from time to time. I had a good time talking to these people and got a kick out of the way they try to manouver you in their conversations. After several years, they ceased to show up. This was after a conversation with a gal when I asked if she had heard of the book called "Crisis of Conscience". She claimed she had never heard of it so I loaned her my copy as she said she would like to read it. I never saw hide nor hair of her or the book.

I had long discussions with my daughter about the JW organization to little avail. Speaking to her was like talking to the wall. I am sure if I brought up any part of these conversations she would not even remember any part of what we discussed. This happened about 10 years ago and her feelings are still the same. Such ignorance baffles me. In my family and many of the families before me had a get together at Christmastime. This was a day when we all got together and had a good time. On the first Christmas after joining the JW my daughter went out of her way to NOT be with her biological family. This hurt her mother and I to the core. This showed that her priorities were in favor of the JW organization over her family. I find this unacceptable. I am sure that you would not have altered your priorities with your family. Make no mistake, the problem is with your family not you.

My daughter now devotes her entire life to the org. and we see her only when she visits her JW friends in the vicinity. She never comes to see her mother and father.

My daughter once said that there are mixed marriages among JWs and they are happy. Do you know of any? With their following the Theocratic War Doctrine, I suspect she will only lie about anything she says. She now lives in Patterson with hardly no remuneration from the organization. I don't suppose they pay into Social Security. So in retirement they are totally reliant on the JW organization. I wonder what that is?

It is unfortunate that a break with your family must be the result of doing what you feel is best and I feel for you. If you love your family like I do my daughter the hurt never stops. You must however learn to live with it. My advice to you is: go on living your life as you see fit and always try to maintain contact with your family, even if they show no desire to reciprocate. Keep plugging away at it and never give up. They are your biologic family and nothing will change that. Not even Jehovah.

All the best to you and your future Husband.

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Celine Dion

by JH in

jw
friends

would you go and see celine dion give a show in las vegas?

do you like her music?

celine dion poses with artictic director franco dragone at a news conference after the opening of her show, "a new day," at the colosseum at caesars palace on las vegas.

Phil

Riz

Laughing at onesself is a good start. OOps! Perhaps you are not that funny.

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Positions

by Phil in

does anyone know all the positions that are identified in the watchtower organization?

i hear people talking about elders, overseers etc.

what are all the positions from the to to the bottom?

Phil

Unclebruce:

I guess I asked a silly question. Believe it or not , I am serious in getting the answers to what I would call a simple question. I do appreciate your hilarious response though.

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Positions

by Phil in

does anyone know all the positions that are identified in the watchtower organization?

i hear people talking about elders, overseers etc.

what are all the positions from the to to the bottom?

Phil

Does anyone know all the positions that are identified in the Watchtower organization? I hear people talking about elders, overseers etc. What are all the positions from the to to the bottom?

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Armagedden 2003

by Phil in

does anyone know what the wt is teaching or trying to teach when this "end" is coming?

i believe that they have given up the practice of giving dates.

Phil

Does anyone know what the WT is teaching or trying to teach when this "end" is coming? I believe that they have given up the practice of giving dates.

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Celine Dion

by JH in

jw
friends

would you go and see celine dion give a show in las vegas?

do you like her music?

celine dion poses with artictic director franco dragone at a news conference after the opening of her show, "a new day," at the colosseum at caesars palace on las vegas.

Phil

After reviewing the comments on this board, all I can say is "Pass the milk".

Some of the comments are very juvenile and childish. This tends to lower the quality of the board as a whole.

My comment on Celine? I think she is a talented person with the greatest voice in the pop field at this time. I have seen some of the interviews and she appears to be a very loving person and is happily married. I don't know her and I have never seen her perform live. As far as paying $200 to see her show is concerned, there is not a performer alive today that I would spend that kind of money. I would not pay that kind of money to see Jesus Christ.

As far as her appearance is concerned, I wonder what kind of people would make such comments and one would wonder what they look like (inside and out).

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Why Do JWs Come Here to Debate?

by Victor_E in

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friends

he who has sight is blessed; he who has insight is a thousand times blessed.

what motivates jws to engage in a debate with former jws?

this question is something i have written about in years past and my hope is that it will provide some insight to the newbies.

Phil

Victor e,

I am no scholar by any stretch of the imagination. I have yet to meet anyone in the past several years that is knowlegible enough to satisfy my curiosity. I cannot help but feel that one could go through his or her life without fully satisfying this curiosity. There has been so many books written on the subjects by very knowlegible people and scholars, that the search for the ultimate truth can only come from a superbeing. Bias seems to be a trait of nature, built in to the human DNA. I am sure the most intellectual persons on earth also contain some bias in their writings. There is a genious that said that if we can solve the existance of the universe we will solve the existance of a creator.

Reading all the words of wisdom that have been written is next to impossible. Absorbing and retaining all the main portions of these writings would be impossible. If I would ever meet such a person I suspect he would fill the requirements of the person we speak of.

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Why Do JWs Come Here to Debate?

by Victor_E in

jw
friends

he who has sight is blessed; he who has insight is a thousand times blessed.

what motivates jws to engage in a debate with former jws?

this question is something i have written about in years past and my hope is that it will provide some insight to the newbies.

Phil

Victor:

"He that knows that he knows, learn from him"

How does one know if he really knows. For instance, a JW elder or board member will probably think he would qualify as knowing the truth, although a DF'd JW would think otherwise. Also the DF'd person would probably think that he qualifies as knowing. Am I missing the boat here? Would God be the final answer?