Awaken and Apognophos
I think you are right. I expect too much. I've known for a long time that this forum isn't for me. I take exception to your comments about facts. These aren't discussions; they are debates. Facts are all that matter. Those who don't bring them should stay out of the discussions.
I don't know the true story either, and I haven't taken sides. The only thing worse than a self made stupid person is a self-made arrogant stupid person. And the only thing worse than that is a self made arrogant stupid judgmental person. There are a lot of those on this forum. Their lack of intellect is exceeded only by their arrogance. They don't want to be confused by the facts. They quite comfortably closed their minds a long time ago and nothing will open them.
What consenting adults do is of no concern of mine, regardless of ages. It is no one's business. The lack of character enters ONLY because of who it was, his GF's daugter, but even that is misinterpreted by the inane. Jerry Springer would have liked to have gotten ahold of the whole fam-damily.