And if any of you have been around current military, especially the younger ones, there is often almost a constant chatter and banter about sexual issues, especially gay related anal copulation comments (sanitized) and such jokes. Although on the surface it may appear to be good natured, raw, 'bonding' humor, there is a darker under-current to the language. Language precedes behavior. It is actually a bit shocking to the senses if you aren't used to it (and I wasn't); the issue has been taken up by military brass and the Congress at very high levels, as it is seen as contributing to sexual predatory behavior (i.e., the prevalence of rape within the ranks). And in Afghanistan the cultural 'conversation' might even get you killed.
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by RottenRiley inmy atheist, agnostic and deist family members, why don't we attack this insanity more?
dr. richard dawkins is finally calling out islam for it's true nature, i hope he is balanced because i don't want him to get killed by these whack jobs.
i enjoy listening to dr. dawkins debate and would like him to attack their false religion like he lambaste's christians, i guess it's a tight-wire act he must follow or they would kill him.
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U.S. Army admits to widespread cultural pedophilia in Afghanistan
by RottenRiley inmy atheist, agnostic and deist family members, why don't we attack this insanity more?
dr. richard dawkins is finally calling out islam for it's true nature, i hope he is balanced because i don't want him to get killed by these whack jobs.
i enjoy listening to dr. dawkins debate and would like him to attack their false religion like he lambaste's christians, i guess it's a tight-wire act he must follow or they would kill him.
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FlyingHigh,
You are wise; it is more about the madonna/whore complex. It is common for men in this swatch of the world, including Hindus, etc., to view their wives, after childbirth primarily, as too pure to touch or some other screwed up psychology. I know both from research and personal experience. But Islam has made young boys a 'feature' for a long long time. So U.S. soldiers who judge pedophiles risk their lives. And the Islamic men who feast on young boys DO NOT view themselves as gay. Referring to them, or that behavior, in such manner will also place them in harm's way. Screwed up culture. Cofty is right. As usual.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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WMF,
Yes, I agree. Part of my frustration is that, being an ex JW, I WANT to be proud of my former brothers and sisters and hope and wish that they would have evolved past the JW mindset. That is the only reason, after nearly 20 years, that I came to this forum, to hope and try to get them to see there is a better way to think.
One last salvo and then I won't repond to this topic again. The expert, professional, esperienced team convened to look at the Allen case in conjuction with Dylan so many years ago came to the same conclusion as I. They knew about Soon Yi. They knew about the 18 year old he dated. They knew about the movies he made. They, like me, were probably parents who cared deeply about child abuse and despised it as I do. But they cared more about facts and the rational fair analysis of the data that was presented to them. They put aside any subjective, emoitonal feelings and thoughts and set aside their own personal moral code. That is what such teams should do. That is what we all should do every day of our lives. That is all we are talking about here. Ths one thing is why I don't belong on this site. TKO Viola. Now apologize.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
And stay the eff away from the keyboard until you have done a bit of research and thought rationally and objectively and fairly about both sides of any topic to which you are about to resond. That's how i role Samwise. It is the right way to think and live. Those who rely on emotion, subjective thinking and their own tiny little world and moral code of judging others I avoid. Like the plague.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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Samwise, I certainly understand where folks are coming from. When this incident occurred I had most of the same feelings. He should have avoided any contact with Soon Yi. I thought that then and I think that now.. But uiltimately the facts are what they are. He certainly could be guilty of child abuse; we will likely never know. But one thing I simply don't care about is what occurs between consenting adults. That seems to be a primary issue of concern with a lot of people on this site. Separate that from all of the other stuff. What you are talking about Samwise are perceptions and feelings.
It is the ultimate in arrogance to judge, try to control, worry, fret, make laws about or whine about what consenting adults do, and that is the same whether they are the same sex, different sex or of different ages. I do not understand why so many on this forum care about what consenting adults do; the same discussions are had when the topic is the LGBT community. Allen showed deplorable character. But he is still married to Soon Yi. Let's separate our feelings, perceptions and our own moral code from the facts of the situation. I am trained to do such. I also worked diligentlly post JW to do such. I don't judge or make decisions in llife based on hysteria or knee jerk reactions or some judgment criteria that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. Try it, Samwise, you might like it.
Viola, your comments don't deserve any response. If my 'arrogance' about the inability of so many on this site to separate thier feelings and their own personal moral code from the reailiy of life and its compleities bothers you, that is your problem. There is nothing I have stated that isn't 100 percent true. If you think please point out any errors. Other than betraying his mate, everything else he has done is simply conjecture and accusations, unsubstantiated by any facts. Whether it was the 18 year old or a 20 something Soon Yi, all of those individuals were consentingt adults. Get over it. I condemn him for his betrayal and poor judgment. Whether he did anything else wrong I do not know. And neither do any of you. The pereceptions, feelings, beliefs and judgments don't mean a thing to me. Sorry Samwise. I refuse to judge him on things just because of Soon Yi or the 18 year old he dated. It's called being fair. None of that. NONE Of that is 'proof' of anything. To use that word in relation to Soon Yi or the 18 year old he dated is pathetic, and thankfully the individuals who made the very tough decsiiosna bout this case so many years ago had the same mindset. And conveniently those feeling as you describe, Samwise, are ignoring lots of real data that doesn't support your views. VIola went off and googled a song the other day about child abuse; why can't see and the rest of you all google this story - as I have - and read both sides of it. And think rationally about the data and facts we know absent our personal beleifs or moral code????
Those are the facts Samwise. Otherwise, I am not far off from most of you in my general disdain for him. Life doesn't revolve around the judgments and prejudices of so many on this forum. Sorry. Get used to it.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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Awaken and Apognophos
I think you are right. I expect too much. I've known for a long time that this forum isn't for me. I take exception to your comments about facts. These aren't discussions; they are debates. Facts are all that matter. Those who don't bring them should stay out of the discussions.
I don't know the true story either, and I haven't taken sides. The only thing worse than a self made stupid person is a self-made arrogant stupid person. And the only thing worse than that is a self made arrogant stupid judgmental person. There are a lot of those on this forum. Their lack of intellect is exceeded only by their arrogance. They don't want to be confused by the facts. They quite comfortably closed their minds a long time ago and nothing will open them.
What consenting adults do is of no concern of mine, regardless of ages. It is no one's business. The lack of character enters ONLY because of who it was, his GF's daugter, but even that is misinterpreted by the inane. Jerry Springer would have liked to have gotten ahold of the whole fam-damily.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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Adamah,
Well stated. When I left the Borg. I LEFT THE BORG. I got as far away as possible and opened my mind to the brave new world. I re-tooled my thinking and alll things JW. If I express more than a little frustration at some of the posters so be it. They need to be shaken a bit. Look at my profile. See where I've been and who I am. I have been an investigator, an analyst, a counter terrorist expert, a college professor (2 colleges). I have investigated incidents not dissimilar from this one. Facts please. Facts. Objective rational analysis. I do not give a rip about anyone's feelilngs, perceptions, beliefs, thoughts, judgments, attitudes or closed mindedness. Not a rip. If they post, the content is subject to any of us ripping it to shreds if it is so deserving.
Am I more than a bit surprised by the lack of objective, rational, intelligent arguments on this forum? Of course; I don't hide it. Should I have been surprised? No.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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Steve,
I have no problem with differing viewpoints. It is the lack of rational, factual arguments used to support them that distress me. I won't apoplogize for my statements about education or intelligence. When posters read rational factual statements about events and then post the same inane comments all over again as statements of fact, it is what it is. It isn't intelligent. It isn't rational. It reflects poorly on the poster and adds nothing to the discussion. We waste our time. At least qualify the statements. Take this OP for example. We continue to see the same ridiculous statements over and over again. It's as if they can't read or think. I think it is called for. And I'm not suggesting. I'm stating. The lack of intellect and ability to think rationally and objectively is rife on this forum, probably worse than I've experienced anywhere else.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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DJS
This topic is typical of this forum. Too many people who couldn't give a rip about facts and who really should be kept far away from a keyboard. The level of intelligence on this forum depresses me. I shouldn't be surprised; JWs are the least educated religious group in the world. I understand why so many were attracted to JWs in the first place, with their judgmental, pre-conceived, prejudicial, narrow minded, arrogant, pious, holier than thou attitudes; I wonder how they were ever mart enough to leave its grips.
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Woody Allen speaks out
by NewYork44M inwoody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.
have you ever been accused of something you did not do?
if that happens, what do you do?.
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