Posts by DJS

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How important do you believe education and knowledge is?

by new hope and happiness in

how educated are you?

and how great is your vocabularly ect ....?.

do you think ir right to judge people by how intelligent/ educated they are and how much vocabulary they use???.

DJS

I don't like educated snobs either, but I like uneducated, prideful and stubborn people less. I also think a humble disposition and humor are greater attractions than education and vocabulary, but they aren't mutually exclusive. I know a lot of educated people who are humble and funny. I know of a few academic snobs but I don't keep such as friends. The only problem I have with the comments to this OP is that they seem to focus on the tail ends of bell curves as if they are applicable to everyone. There are just as many uneducated, stubborn and prideful people as there are educated snobs. There are just as many people with education who are humble and funny as there are humble, funny uneducated people.

I learned a long time ago that not all poor people have hearts of gold and not all rich people are mean.

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is going to a strip club a disfellowshipping offense?

by monis1 in

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i'm pretty sure it is, just wanted to confirm.

this would be someone who went once and only looked....

DJS

So Tal,

You've been to strip clubs, huh? I've taken a number of women to strip clubs. Major fun. I have lots of stories. I'm not a woman and won't attempt to describe what I think is empowering to them, but I've listened to a few (when I wasn't staring) and, although stripping might not be the perfect job in a perfect world, it pays the bills. Any work is deserving of dignity and honor, including stripping. I didn't make the rules. Stripping isn't going away, so what would you/I/us do about it? Teach your children well, and then rely on them to make good decisions. If a girl chooses to be a stripper, then be the best damn stripper you can be and make as much money as possible while taking care of yourself. If it is a temporary 'position,' (pun intended), then make the most of it and have a plan. That's no different than any other transitional or beginning employment.

Are they 'proud' of it? They might be if society would stop being so judgmental. So many in this area have stripped for so long at the same clubs that I can't create a scenario whereby they are being victimized or exploited really. And yes, lots of them have family who know what they do. Otherwise, I can't answer if they are proud. It is their choice. And have you ever seen a stripper work to get money out of your pocket? Who is exploiting whom? As for me, I treat strippers in the exact manner I treat everyone else I enounter in the working world, with dignity and respect. So let's hear your stories. ;-)

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

So it's about 3 to 1 in favor of mocking and ridicule. With a few ties. Keep it clean. And funny. And creative. Mock on fellow ex-Dubs. Mock on.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

red,

I agree. I haven't spoken with current dubs in two decades and would never, ever in a million light years attempt to do so. But you are correct. Excellent point.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

The Borg is deserving of being appropriately mocked and ridiculed. If we want to turn this site into a 'proper' debating forum then all 'proper' debating rules will be followed, not just a few cherry picked by those who lack a sense of humor. And debates are essentially about 2 things: Facts and the Correct application of Facts. Opinions, thoughts, feelings, beliefs and shallow, tepid one dimensional, prejudiced knowledge or 'factoids' aren't acceptable. Since that isn't practical, and since it would render the theists impotent, let's just try to all get along. I'm a wise ass; that isn't going to change. The best we call all hope for us to contain me.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

Thanks Billy. If they couldn't help it we shouldn't mock or ridicule. They can. If we weren't truthful we shouldn't mock or ridicule. We are. If we aren't using pejorative, abusive or vulgar language, and that is in the eye of the beholder at times, then rock on.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

I think the newbies can take it; they wouldn't be grousing about here unless they were sick of the Borg or getting sick of it. As long as what is said is true, and curse words aren't used, why filter or censor? Strong words are necessary at times. They shouldn't be discouraged nor censored. If someone can show me that the Borg isn't full of hate, isn't controlling, doesn't destroy families, doesn't promise something which will never ever occur and doesn't set up its followers to be both financially, socially and psychologically behind the eight ball for the rest of their lives then me and those like me will always use sweet sweet words. Good luck with that.

I felt most of what I feel now when I was an elder and still believed it was the truth. Twenty years ago. I didn't come on this site - or any like it - until 2 decades post Borg had passed. I'm not freshly out and 'angry.' I've accomplished more than I can possibly relate, and my life is extremely happy and positive in all manners. So let's put things in their proper perspectve, shall we. There are a lot of posters like me who have been out a long, long time who feel the same. The Borg is full of a lot of very good people; we all know that. You call it vitriol; I call it truth. Potato potahto.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

The Borg is a dangerous hate-filled cult which robs individuals of their personal consciences and choices. They destroy families. They ensure that their followers remain challenged in life financially and emotionally, waiting anxiously on a pay-off that will never, ever come. They deserve to be thrown onto the scrap heap of the 21st Century. They deserve much more ridicule than they receive on this site. The damage they have done to individuals and families while contributing absolutely nothing to society is shameful. We are kind if all we do is call them the Borg. They deserve much worse. If that hurts someone's feelings then they can get over it. Or not. It is truth. Deal with it.

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Science proves there is a God

by seekchristonly in

fusion with god natural .

in the cosmos universe or whatever.

all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.

DJS

VG,

I understand your point. As I've pointed out before, I know a helluva lot about a helluva lot, but my subject matter expertise is not in the sciences. So I don't enter science discussions, out of humility and debate decorum, which indicates that if you don't know a subject stay out of it and if you do enter a debate, honor the topic - and your fellow debaters- and have a very good knowledge of it. Feelings and beliefs work in theist discussions (really, do they have anything else), but they will and should be nuked in debates about science and other topics. What someone thinks also deserves to be obliterated, as does enough knowledge to just be annoying. So many rush to find the first article which appears to support their views and never dig deeper or even try to undertand the topic from a 360 degree approach. They get exactly what they deserve.

Having said that, it is clear that there are a number of posters who do understand a variety of scientific topics. I learn from them, which is something the theists and others lacking understanding about any topic should do. But they seemingly can't help themselves. Ego and narcissism take over and they lack the self control to avoid the keyboard.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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friends

robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

Kate,

Lots of us thought of the WT as the Borg when we were in, so I don't think we are hurting anyone's feelings calling it the Borg now. It is a fitting name, actually kinda cute. We could call the borganization what they really are, which is: a hate filled, vile, nasty, controlling, evil little cult. Which would you prefer?