Posts by DJS

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

DJS

Religion is a choice and it is also a protected class. It does not matter whether being gay is choice or genetics; the SCOTUS and regional courts do not consider that, as it is a religious issue - not a state issue. And neither should any of us.

Your 'morals,' as Cofty routinely points out, are based on a monstrous god with a practice of monstrous behaviors.

The biggest whiners I hear and see in society are the R Wing X-tian fundies who want to hold on to their hateful practices and society and the courts are not allowing them to do so. Continue whining X-tian fundies; I will consider it music to the ears.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

DJS

We don't really care that you view it is a moral case rather than a civil rights' case, and apparently neither does the SCOTUS and other courts. X-tian fundies and Libertarians you 'feel' and 'think' that their particular viewpoint transcends the US Constitution and decency and ethics, is delusional at best and hate-filled at worst.

But you remain entrenched and full of hate; you wear it so well. One day in the near future, these types of hateful actions towards gays by those thinking they have a legal, 'moral' (pardon me while I vomit), or philosophical (pardon me while I vomit) right will come to an end in the US and likely all of the W and industrialized nations. It is getting closer each day, and when that time comes - and when haters such as the X-tian R Wing fundies - are gone from the planet it will be an even better day.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

DJS

They are exactly the same issue. They only appear different to you because you want them to. The baker, florist and photographer are providing a for profit, commercial service available to the public. They are not being asked to 'partake' in religious services, only provide the services they are getting paid for to an event, which they certainly would do if it were a religious event.

They do not have the legal right to provide the service inside their building and then refuse to provide it outside based on discriminatory reasons. But I suppose you know more than the framers of the Constitution and all of the individuals who have interpreted it over the decades. We should be in awe.

Using your (again) completely wrong analogy a baker could sell a cake to a black person inside their bakery but would be legally protected to not take the cake to a black wedding reception. The courts have determined that your viewpoint is wrong, and they have consistently done so for decades.

It would be so much better for you and the other R Wing X-tian fundies to simply lose the hate, realize what type of country we live in (constitutional democracy based on utilitarian principles) and that your religious beliefs and practices end at this demarcation point. And that demarcation point is a very good thing.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

DJS

This case is about the same issue that the cases were about in the 1950s and 1960s during the Civil Rights movement, which is to uphold the US Constitution in not allowing discrimination in areas of interest to the state. Commerce is one of those areas. Your need to resurrect this OP when it was sleeping peacefully suggests that you need therapy.

Whether you are a right wing X-tian fundie, Libertarian, Muslim, Gay or Black, discriminating in the marketplace because of your religious, social or political views has been determined illegal by SCOTUS and the various regional courts, in their interpretation of the US Constitution, for decades. It just happens to be gay people's time to gain fairness and equity.

THAT is what this OP is about and THAT is what this social movement is about.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

DJS

Couldn't help it, could you Junction Guy? I wondered when you were going to show up to spread your own particular brand of hate. You are completely wrong; the courts have determined that you are wrong and will continue to do so. The US Constitution, when it was penned, determined that you are wrong.

Your examples are wrong. The only people being sued are haters who are discriminating and violating the US Constitution as well as the individual laws protecting blacks, religious people, gays and others from begin discriminated AGAINST in commerce and business. Practice your own brand of X-tian hate inside the confines of your churches and homes. You do not have a legal right to practice your hate in the marketplace.

Born again bible believers also were the tip of the spear in hating and discriminating against blacks, so I will 'fix' your comments:

"The issue at stake in the cake bakery is not the fact that they refused to serve blacks, it is they refused to participate in a service that goes against their moral conscience. There are some businesses (fewer nowadays) that aren't willing to sacrifice their convictions for a quick buck, and this baker was one of them."

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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

by Stumpy in

jw
friends

i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

DJS

Stumpy,

Welcome! We probably all felt like fools when we discovered the Borg was nothing but another religion at best and a cult at worst. It was a very good lesson for me, however. I'm with EdenOne; you're screwed if your prayer is answered. You should have picked something that would never ever occur, such as a man asking for directions or a woman actually apologizing for something she did or said.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

DJS

Whether I was an elder has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. It is yet another Debating strategy used by you and others sharing your views in this OP when you aren't getting your way. I am an expert in this particular field. If you want to dissect me, look at my posting history. I rarely if ever enter OPs where I can't provide significantly to it or where I'm not a subject matter expert.

Ego? I mean, really? You had every opportunity to avoid the keyboard and spare us all your incessant whining about a topic on which few if any adults agreed with you. You make wise-ass comments about a topic you know nothing about. Ego? Really?

If you're going to be a wise-ass, Bro, you really need to be right about your comments, or at least conduct some real research about the topic before O-whining, and pick and choose your battles carefully. Otherwise you just come across as a buffoon.

I'm trying to help you but you have to let me.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

DJS

pbrow,

Google church shootings. Google pranks gone bad. I've forgotten more about this topic than you will ever know. You haven't a clue what I do or have done in these areas or where I've done these types of things or who I've done them with and for. WTF do you think is occurring in churches, synagogues and mosques?? Not all of them are sitting by passively; many of them are developing plans.

The probability of any of these events occurring at an individual church, etc. is very small; the probability of one of these events occurring at a church, etc. in any year is 100%. That isn't an opinion. I suggest that you avoid talking like an expert about things you know nothing about or use the world wide web to do something other than showing your ignorance.

I'm not surprised you find it hilarious. Say hi to Larry and Curley. The more you respond to this OP the more ignorant you make it clear than you are. Don't stop.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

DJS

pbrow,

Yes I was. Bro. People react in these types of situations. Unpredictably. Sometimes bad things happen. That isn't reactionary sky is failing. That's the real world; you might try living in it. Bro.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

DJS

BOC,

One of these pranks is going to result in a physical attack or a geriatric Dub dying of a heart attack during the event. Then the dumbass pranksters will be sued. These are the types of things that inevitably occur. About 4 months ago there was another one of these videos posted, except the pranksters entered the KH before the meeting began with video cams in hand, creating a commotion and marching around the hall. I've worked with church groups developing active shooter and other security related plans and programs. Some of them have such plans, including armed deacons. It doesn't take much to imagine one of those deacons opening fire if such an event occurred in their church.

The Dubs may be pacifists, but sooner or later someone is going to get hurt and someone is going to get sued and potentially incarcerated. Welcome to the real world he said to me, condescendingly.