Posts by DJS

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FYI My JW mom and Alzheimer's

by scary21 in

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one year ago today my mom passed away.

she was 91 years old.

it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.

I'm sorry you had to experience this with your mom. I understand how that can hurt deeply. My dad passed a few weeks ago. His anger (at times rage) and intentional indifference (it's called leveling) toward me all of my life - since I was a teenager - are the only memories I have from him. My mom told me shortly before she passed about 15 years ago that my dad had been jealous of me forever. I was stunned, but it finally made a lot of things make sense.

At least you have good memories of a loving mom that you can help you through this period. Rely on those memories.

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RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

DJS

Lieu, "Sure jws are a PITA"

They are more than a PITA. Their teachings and behaviors destroy families and rob individuals of personal conscience, freedom of choice, dreams, hopes, aspirations and ambitions. Their shunning policy and discouraging education create a strain on government resources, not to mention failing to contribute to the greater good of social and economic improvement.

Their segregationist policies based on all other religions and governments soon being destroyed cannot in any manner contribute to a cohesive, forward moving and engaged society. Dubs give less to charities, social and environmental programs than any religion, which should be the primary focus of all religions.

They are a malaise and an infection, and they seem to make a bit of sense only because of their end of time nonsensical fog they are living in and they are typically benign citizenry. Those of us raised in the W world and especially in the US have been enculturated to think that religion has rights that it doesn't have.

We are starting to see that change. Let it come.

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Evolution is a Fact #37 - Testicles

by cofty in

take a look at the back of your tv/entertainment centre.

a mass of power and signal cables connect the various pieces of equipment in very specific ways.

imagine you wanted to switch the locations of your satellite receiver and your dvd player.

DJS

Thanks Cofty,

This information certainly makes a vas deferens in how we should view creation vs. evolution.

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RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

DJS

DOC,

I'm trying to come out of my shell and finally say what I really think. Thank you for noticing and the support!

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RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

DJS

xjw,

Spot on: "Oh and... God is going to murder everyone in the Russian Government and everyone that supports that government. Also God will murder all people that go to other Russian churches…"

Which is one of the reasons they may be liquidated. If the state determines that such teachings are hate speech and detrimental to the well being of the state it has a right to limit such teachings. Child sacrifice wouldn't be allowed by any modern government, for example. So the argument that no religion, regardless of how pathetic, should be banned is specious. Sounds good but patently false and erroneous.

I expect more of these types of laws in the future and not just with Mother Russia. DFing and shunning, for example, can easily be shown to be counter to a state's interests since shunning almost certainly increases the usage of state funds for medical and mental health costs, drug and dependency counseling, not to mention broken families and the resulting $ and sociological costs to a society.

Let it come. Liquidate them and all that are like them.

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Stories From the Back Room

by xjwsrock in

(i am still a serving elder.

i have no idea how much longer i can stomach it.

timing is terrible for stepping down right now, though.

DJS

xjw,

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is identical to what we all experienced one or two decades ago. A lot of elders get off on becoming amateur sleuthsand others get off on thinking they are keeping the cong. clean.

Makes me want to projectile vomit.

Of course when your entire org is based on a never ending litany of pharisaical rules, regulations and dogma, all supported either directly or complicity by the Dark Lords, this is exactly what you end up with.

You have my sympathy.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Steph, Ditto.You finally made sense.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Every person that exits this hate filled cult and who shows up on this site is meticulously concerned about how they manage their fade, which tells me the Dark Tower is still the Dark Tower. So when I was an elder hasn't anything to do with this.

If you live around very sweet, kind, disengaged, affable, dim witted elders who will overlook any an all transgressions then that is excellent. That is not what we are all hearing from the masses who find this site.

Again, your continuing responses to this OP are being driven by your emotions, your pride, your desire to be proven right. You have far passed the point of providing content

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Ditto to konceptual with one caveat:

If she hasn't routinely been attending meetings for 5 months, no conventions, etc. then a lawyer could have a very optimistic chance mitigating any judicial activity. The words of the GB member during the Australian RC hearings regarding leaving exiting dubs alone would be compelling data to include in a letter. That alone would make them think twice or thrice before taking JC action.

If she has been routinely attending meetings, then she has by her actions identified herself as a loyal, practicing active J-dub. All bets would then be off and konceptual's plan would be the only thing that might keep her from being DFed. Then she would have a very long, uphill climb to avoid future JC action if she avoided DFing - an immediately and permanent fade would then be in order. If they DF her, it is up to her whether keeping her family would be more important than living her life. If the former is more important than the latter, and if they shun her, it becomes the old reinstatement routine. Rinse and repeat.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Your infantilization of elders is not even close to being accurate from my experience. Not even. I served on a number of JCs and not once did any of us let tears and hysteria sway us. It's about the evidence. And you are serving no purpose other than to spread emotional nonsense about a process that can be very excruciating and demeaning, not to mention hard hearted and vile.

Trying to confuse this OP and a rational response to it by brining up pedophiles or specific 'experiences' for which you may be partly aware is also a lot of wasted time and space. You are contributing nothing and hopefully Snow White is ignoring you.