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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  FIsh,

  Ouchey. That hurt, especially all of the keen insight in support of your disagreement. Cruel, man. Just cruel.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

  by Perry in

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  for additional information:.

  for additional information:.

  for additional information:.

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  WhatshallIcallmyself,

  Ditto. I see Todd Starnes, I mean Perry, is up to his old tricks. ”Many scientists”? Really Todd?

  From Wiki: The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others. One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science". That is 0.14% Perry. In other words, 99.86% of the scientists from the 1987 estimate do not believe in either creationism or a young earth biblical teaching. It is likely even fewer in 2016.

  A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists. That’s called an appeal to authority Perry, where a scientist makes statements or conducts ‘research’ outside of their subject matter expertise in order to push their personal beliefs or agenda. As others have noted, these ‘studies’ are considered junk science by the scientific community and these ‘studies’ are rarely if ever published in scientific journals or presented for peer review. I wonder why?

  Additionally, the scientific community considers intelligent design, a neo-creationist offshoot, to be unscientific, pseudoscience, or junk science.

  Todd, I mean Perry, enough please?
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  New DNA Study Confirms Noah

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  http://www.icr.org/article/9325/.

  amazing read...go on , have a laugh if you want to.. new dna study confirms noah.

  by brian thomas, m.s.

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  Debating is about facts, data and evidence and the appropriate application or interpretation of those facts.

  Feelings, thoughts, opinions and beliefs have no place in debates. This is one of the primary problems on this site.

  The uninformed, the confirmationally biased, the irrational, entrenched feeler perceivers want to act like their opinions are as valid as evidence, especially of the empirical, scientifically obtained and peer reviewed variety.

  They are not.

  The www only appears to provide an equal forum for the uninformed and those driven by their emotions and beliefs. Having a computer and an Internet account do not really enable the hysterics and the uneducated equanimity alongside experts with decades of education and experience on a topic. They just think it does.
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  I'm getting disfellowshipped

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.

  i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.

  that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .

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  Raven,

  I'm very sorry you are going through this. Is your mom certain or is she just expressing her thoughts? A judicial committee is bound to try to contact you before any conclusions or announcements. If they do it would still be a very good idea to have a lawyer prepare a response.

  And you never know; this may be the thing that causes your mom and family to re-think the shunning policy and all things borg. Let's hope.
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  FYI My JW mom and Alzheimer's

  by scary21 in

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  one year ago today my mom passed away.

  she was 91 years old.

  it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.

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  scary,

  I'm sorry you had to experience this with your mom. I understand how that can hurt deeply. My dad passed a few weeks ago. His anger (at times rage) and intentional indifference (it's called leveling) toward me all of my life - since I was a teenager - are the only memories I have from him. My mom told me shortly before she passed about 15 years ago that my dad had been jealous of me forever. I was stunned, but it finally made a lot of things make sense.

  At least you have good memories of a loving mom that you can help you through this period. Rely on those memories.
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  Lieu, "Sure jws are a PITA"

  They are more than a PITA. Their teachings and behaviors destroy families and rob individuals of personal conscience, freedom of choice, dreams, hopes, aspirations and ambitions. Their shunning policy and discouraging education create a strain on government resources, not to mention failing to contribute to the greater good of social and economic improvement.

  Their segregationist policies based on all other religions and governments soon being destroyed cannot in any manner contribute to a cohesive, forward moving and engaged society. Dubs give less to charities, social and environmental programs than any religion, which should be the primary focus of all religions.

  They are a malaise and an infection, and they seem to make a bit of sense only because of their end of time nonsensical fog they are living in and they are typically benign citizenry. Those of us raised in the W world and especially in the US have been enculturated to think that religion has rights that it doesn't have.

  We are starting to see that change. Let it come.
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  Evolution is a Fact #37 - Testicles

  by cofty in

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  take a look at the back of your tv/entertainment centre.

  a mass of power and signal cables connect the various pieces of equipment in very specific ways.

  imagine you wanted to switch the locations of your satellite receiver and your dvd player.

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  Thanks Cofty,

  This information certainly makes a vas deferens in how we should view creation vs. evolution.
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  DOC,

  I'm trying to come out of my shell and finally say what I really think. Thank you for noticing and the support!
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  xjw,

  Spot on: "Oh and... God is going to murder everyone in the Russian Government and everyone that supports that government. Also God will murder all people that go to other Russian churches…"

  Which is one of the reasons they may be liquidated. If the state determines that such teachings are hate speech and detrimental to the well being of the state it has a right to limit such teachings. Child sacrifice wouldn't be allowed by any modern government, for example. So the argument that no religion, regardless of how pathetic, should be banned is specious. Sounds good but patently false and erroneous.

  I expect more of these types of laws in the future and not just with Mother Russia. DFing and shunning, for example, can easily be shown to be counter to a state's interests since shunning almost certainly increases the usage of state funds for medical and mental health costs, drug and dependency counseling, not to mention broken families and the resulting $ and sociological costs to a society.

  Let it come. Liquidate them and all that are like them.
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  Stories From the Back Room

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (i am still a serving elder.

  i have no idea how much longer i can stomach it.

  timing is terrible for stepping down right now, though.

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  xjw,

  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  This is identical to what we all experienced one or two decades ago. A lot of elders get off on becoming amateur sleuthsand others get off on thinking they are keeping the cong. clean.

  Makes me want to projectile vomit.

  Of course when your entire org is based on a never ending litany of pharisaical rules, regulations and dogma, all supported either directly or complicity by the Dark Lords, this is exactly what you end up with.

  You have my sympathy.