i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Lieu,
It is all make believe. But sadly people die, are killed and lives are ruined because of your make believe.
That's why it matters.
Another interesting point about Believer. She resisted Coftys comments showing how her bible revealed a god who is a moral monster.
Apparently it is A OK however believing that her god is going to destroy us atheists forever in Gehenna.
Selective blinders.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Lieu,
You still can't come up with anything but ad hominems I see. I was actually minding my own business until Believer preached me to hell.
Now apparently she has assigned billions of other decent people to the same fate. Just because they don't believe like her/it.
So you do see how ridiculous you are being don't you.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Believer,
Thanks for halfway responding. Ucantnome made the 'last post' comment. I was in error. However, in your second OP you stated this:
"Jesus condemned the Pharisees because 'they traverse land and sea to make one proselyte and then made him a subject of Gehenna more so than themselves.’ At first I wondered what that meant but watching the progression of many exJWs evolve or devolve from blind faith to no faith seems to be the answer. Of course there are many who evolved from blind faith to true faith but those believers are relatively quiet here. So I guess the other reason I keep checking in, I must confess, is like the fascination of watching a train wreck. You really hope no one is seriously injured, but you just can't help looking!"
You clearly equate us atheists to those with no faith and Gehenna. No amount of moon walking can get you out of that Ms. Jackson.
Also, please answer my question about whether the gods of Islam, the Hindus, the Jains (who are some of the most decent people) are also not of the 'true faith' as you call it and whether they too are destined for the same fate of Gehenna.
By your response you seem to be saying all of these people, numbering in the billions, have a religion but no faith.
Please clarify. I don't want to Improperly assume you just condemned billions of innocent decent people to everlasting destruction with the likes of me.
anyone seen sister williams working her assests on the latest beyonce video?
what's the go, surely she is not a declared jw?.
she needs some serious council from jehovah, and i'm guessing bro sammy herd wouldn't mind being on that little committee.. the song is called "sorry".
Hello . . . . Newman. I mean Rat Again,
Finally, we agree on something!!!!!
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Believer,
Didn't you say a couple of days ago you would never post again on this site or even view it??
You were asked to view a video? Really? By whom? The Pope? Billy Graham? Believer?
So let me get this straight. You are now separating religion from god. I see. In your last OP, where you assigned all us atheists to Gehenna (is that the metaphorical Gehenna meaning death or the hot place? I want to dress appropriately), you also stated that there was a 'true faith.'
Now the important question. Are those who believe in god in your true faith? Or is it just the xtian god and his baby boy that gets identified as the true faith? What about the myriads of gods in Hinduism, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva? Islam's god Allah? Moksha of Jainism?
Or is the true faith only reserved for Believer and its followers? Do the Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, etc. also get thrown into Gehenna along with us atheists? We are talking about several billion people, so your response is meaningful. We got to alert a whole lot of people if you don't approve of their religion or their god.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Lieu,
More ad hominen. Is that all you got? We atheists promise that the second you say something that makes sense we will applaud you.
We hurt your feelings because that's what you lead with and what drives you. If you would start using your brain it wouldn't sting so much.
Or even some self control.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
rebel,
We don't blame god because we don't believe in her. You are missing the point. We are countering your beliefs and statements about her with a rational, analytical response that shows, if she existed, she is a monster or she simply doesn't care about her creation. But if you and those like you point to the bible - IN ANY MANNER - as proof she exists, that the bible is in any manner inspired by her or meant as a guide for humans or to help us cretans learn about her, then she is a moral monster.
It's called rational debate. I know you aren't used to it but try to follow along.
We know it is man who is responsible for all of this carnage.
As others have rightly said about the bible: in for a penny, in for a pound. Picking and choosing which parts of it are inspired and which parts are to be ignored results in what we have. Thousands of different x-tian belief systems, all of which can use the bible in support of their beliefs and actions, which include the destruction by your god of billions in this end of time period (gag) and after the thousand year 'rain' of terror by your god, billions more who have assumedly obtained perfection.
And, you place yourself in immediate conflict by calling yourself this name: Christian. Because there is only one source for that belief system. One.
In for a penny. In for a pound.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Lieu,
Every major x-tian religion for nearly 2000 years has applied those scriptures in exactly the same manner. That belief served in large part as the legitimacy for the Crusades, the Conquistadors and hosts of other atrocities, wars, murders and genocides committed by x-tians and in the name of Christ. The tips of the Conquistadores' spears were sharpened by Jesus.
That some are backing away from that belief/teaching suggests x-tianity is finally learning a bit from its mistakes. But like Islam, until they divorce themselves from the relevancy and most importantly from the legitimacy of their sacred writings (Koran/Bible) and the inerrancy and god inspired nature of them we will continue to see the same beliefs rise up in horrific actions and latently cause needless divisions amongst our species.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Regarding Jesus/Jah
Destroying billions is so nice, they are going to to it twice:
Rev. 14: (At Armageddon)
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. 18Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.” 19So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
Rev 21: (after the 1000 year reign)
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
And baby (the flood) makes three.
I'm ashamed I used to believe this.
No one can rationally explain these scriptures. There is no spin that can be placed on them other than J&J are monsters, before the bible was written, in the OT and especially in the NT. Jesus does not love me.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Lieu,
An expected response. What you didn't do, and what you can't do, is suggest that anything I said isn't 100% accurate. Because it is. And what you didn't do, and what you can't do, is suggest that your reasoning and rationale are not immature and irrational. Because they are.
When someone's response is solely based on ad hominem and whining about to whom you posted (you are posting to the world wide web - if you've been on this site as long as you say you should also already know that), it is a clue that you have no rational response.
So instead of wasting everyone's time (other than showing lurkers and fence sitters the horrors of your god and the irrationality of trying to defend a bronze age book of nonsense) and getting your panties in a wad about me, I suggest that you work at being more rational and evidence driven.
I can help you Lieu, but you have to let me.
