Posts by DJS

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Your suggestion borders on the ridiculous, and you are wasting everyone's time posting this nonsense.

They may not investigate to the point of checking these very available and open records. They may not even pursue her at all. But she should prepare for a worst case scenario event. If I'm on the JC and our JC finds that she is 'worthy' of targeting for judicial investigation, then I'm going to ensure it includes all of the facts. She may get some sloppy elders, some who don't care. Do you really want to give her lame advice that assumes the least case scenario????

Please read some of the experiences shared on this OP. Or listen to some of the former elders who will tell you how these things work. You think lying works 75% of the time? In your experience? Does that mean you've lied 75% of the time and successfully gotten out of it? Does your experience have anything to do with empirical data that covers the entire Borg system? And just how do you know a lawyer is a 50/50 thing? Again, do you have empirical data that suggests?

If not then you are again wasting everyone's time with your thoughts and feelings. Keep them to yourself and try to focus on salient, rational solutions.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Steph,

You are missing the point. The court would be their judicial committee - not civil courts. They can very easily determine if she was married; these are public records. Lying about it would be added to their internal JC 'findings'. If they get to this point it won't go well with her.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Marriage records are part of the public domain. They can easily verify this without asking her for any proof. If they do and find our she was lying they will increase the 'charges' against her.

A lot of bad advice on this OP. Your options based on the most optimal to the least optimal: a. Get a lawyer and fight back hard. Now; b. Suffer the consequences with your head held high and both middle fingers in salute of the Dark Lords and their minions - and tell them what Witness My Fury said before they take action; or c. Let whatever they do worry you to the point of breakdown and act passively until it occurs. There is always the chance these elders will leave her alone, but that seems doubtful given what we have heard.

If you are truly out of the Dark Tower forever, you will have to let whatever occurs with family occur. Or play the reinstatement game and then start yet another fade. If you do, learn how to fade appropriately.

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Many are leaving their enforced, inbred and inherited religions, and surprise it's not just JWs...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

i want to share this great article from an informative website on religion and how it is an age old play on emotions and why many are fleeing from religion, including you.

the other insightful articles on this website will help to soothe your complex worries and open your eyes to a great reality.. one love.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/11/21/waking-up-from-religion/.

DJS

@Cofty: "That is why I didn't attack you or ridicule you. I didn't call you a troll or insult you in any way."

It is a good thing too. Cause that's my job, and if you had the union steward would file a complaint.

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Many are leaving their enforced, inbred and inherited religions, and surprise it's not just JWs...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

i want to share this great article from an informative website on religion and how it is an age old play on emotions and why many are fleeing from religion, including you.

the other insightful articles on this website will help to soothe your complex worries and open your eyes to a great reality.. one love.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/11/21/waking-up-from-religion/.

DJS

Unconditional,

Many are leaving their enforced, inbred and inherited religions, and surprise it's not just JWs… ….. and replacing it with another one that's exactly like it, that espouses the same end of time nonsense, that there is only one way to survive the coming worldwide destruction and that is to follow their self appointed, delusional, uneducated leaders who are the only ones with a direct conduit to god and the truth. And if you don't listen to them and follow them exactly you will be destroyed. And you will deserve it.

There. I fixed that for you.

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Many are leaving their enforced, inbred and inherited religions, and surprise it's not just JWs...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

i want to share this great article from an informative website on religion and how it is an age old play on emotions and why many are fleeing from religion, including you.

the other insightful articles on this website will help to soothe your complex worries and open your eyes to a great reality.. one love.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/11/21/waking-up-from-religion/.

DJS

Thanks Cofty, for doing our homework for us and keeping the gutters clean.

Unconditional Love,

Buh bye.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

They will likely have her DFED in absentia without her even knowing it if she sends them a letter on her own. Contacting an attorney then would be closing the barn door too late. Very bad advice.

The blood thirsty sharks, I mean elders, will view her passivity and or non compliance as fear and guilt. Blood in the water.

So you can be a passive victim, which has a 100% likelihood of failure, or you can immediately get an attorney and prepare to fight Back

Hard. The success rate isn't 100%, but it is a lot better than the alternative.

We are assuming by your posting this that being DFED isn't a desirable outcome. If it is, ignore.

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JW's pressed the rain down in Ukraine

by oppostate in

jw brothersasamblea en ucrania 7.712 aguantando la lluvia que buen ejemplo para nosotros!

!que gran ejemplo y aguante!.

would you sit under torrential rain out in the open during a convention?.

DJS

Iconic song reference from Toto. I am deeply disturbed that one of the best songs of the 20th Century is used in any manner to define dubs.

Deeply.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

DJS

Get an attorney, as others have suggested, to prepare and send them a letter that states you won't be subject to any of their judicial processes and that you will sue them if they take any congregational, df -ing actions against you.

In hindsight, a 5 month fade that includes moving in with your BF was not a very good idea. Since you call it a fade we can assume you have been sporadically attending meetings, etc. during this time.

If so, you have placed yourself squarely in their crosshairs. Good luck. See an attorney.

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Galatians 5:26 was used in and before the 1960`s to not be involved in competitive sports for yourself or for your children

by smiddy in

myself and my peers in the jw organization in the 1960`s discouraged our children from entering into competitive sports because of the jw policy , regarding that scripture .. has their been a radical change since then ?

a re-interpretation of that scripture ?.

why i ask this question is : here in victoria australia where afl football ( aussie rules ) is often regarded as a religion , especially to the state, victoria , we have, according to the media , a devout jehovah`s witness playing professional afl football at a competitive level.. and at their latest win , the team , including alec rance a jw of the richmond club was enthusiastically singing the club victory song along with his teammates on their win .. are their other examples of this in other parts of the world or is this an australian hiccup.. smiddy.

DJS

Sports. Yet another area that falls into the category of none of the Dark Lords business. Are you paying attention Former Brother (where art thou?), leaners, doubters, lurkers, Sled Racer?