for the sake of argument, i think a case can be made:.
) edrogan has been wanting to expand his constitutional powers - this gives him the perfect opportunity to do so..
) it gives edrogan an excuse to restructure a highly secular military.
Everything about this is weird. See the news article where Erdogan is blaming a former Turkish cleric and associate living in PA.
The full military clearly wasn't behnd it, as there were neither strategies nor tactics.Too many people died to think Erdogan was behind it, and a lot of military are now under arrest. Suggesting Erdogan could maintain plausible deniability given these conditions strains reason.
It seems that religion is the reason for this treason.
if this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
Erdogan has been waging a war with Turkey"s military leadership. No doubt he has been placing loyalists - and Islamists - in key mitary positions the past few years in addition to removing secularist military leaders.
The police forces are likely more Islamist than secular. The poor and the rural as well.
This could get ugly. If the coup leaders don't have a great plan and overwheling numbers in the military it will get very ugly.
Erdogan"s true colors are sharia fundamentalism. That's his default setting.
if this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
Read Obama's official response. Support democratically elected gov, avoid violence, blah blah.
No sense of outrage such as when Vlad took Crimea or parts of Ukraine.
What the W isn't saying is deafening. Unintended consequences are many, but if the anti Islamist beliefs permeate the military it doesn't bode well for the PM. THAT is the $64 question.
He is popular however which greatly complicates things.
What a mess.
if this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
It's almost a certainty that the West has known these events would occur. The number and movement of US carrier groups are higher now than in many years.
Vlad, Syria and the rest of the ME are contributors, but the resources the US has placed nearby are enormous.
The words being used by W embassies suggest caution. If this was not expected to go down well for the W, the official notice would likely be to get the hell out of Dodge.
if this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.
europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....
What SlidinFast said.
Turkey"s military has a recent history of aggressively opposing the Islamization of its society.
If news items are accurate and based on their official and carefully chosen words, they are trying to stop the PM from converting Turkey to a caliphate sharia state.
What a mess.
one of my jw spies told me that a us jw speaker was visiting the uk.
some bigwig, on a tv screen, i believe.
sorry, that's all i have.. anecdotal i admit, but i was told he said, "you british think you are superior.".
Glad you're back SBF! Great to see you too SBF. Geesh. You're growing on me. Sorta like a fungus. Or mold.
Anyway, Glad you're here.
after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
Thinking for himself, huh? The same SBF who apparently returned to the dubs a while back and recently became a Mormon? THAT SBF?
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
Thanks Cofty. The post was a continuation of the one before it. I left off the question asking if this was her current belief about LGBT, which I asked about the billions about to be slaughtered in Rev. Mea culpa.
Sevan states she is evaluating her beliefs. If she's a bible believing xtian those are her beliefs, unless she's resorting to cherry picking.
I'm just trying to clarify the full extent of the groups she believes should be destroyed. There is nothing sweet or benign about those beliefs, regardless of how it is spun or sugar coated.
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
Sevan,
If, as you say, you've lurked and read a lot of posts on this site, you know that there are a lot of ex dubs here who are LGBT. They have suffered tremendously at the hands of the Dark Lords and society because of the teachings in your holly book and from xtians like you.
Seeing people like you arrive and re awaken their pain is disgusting. That a few others agree with you or even think it ok you have them is disgusting.
Did reading any of their accounts mean anything to you? Or do you simply hide behind Jesus" skirt and agree that all members of this community deserve death? Cause that's what the Bible says.
My old beliefs disgust me. I did not bring them into my post dub life. Thought about that any? At all?
this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.
to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!
JWR,
Religious freedom of speech and activities have been systematically curtailed by governments for centuries. So let's move away from specious nonsense shall we.
Or are you ok with child porn,, Warren Jeffs, honor killings and the speech and teachings that support these and other damaging religious teachings?
Second, do you know anything about Russian anti extremist laws? When and why they were created? The patience Russian courts have exercised in applying those laws?
Anything? At all?
