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  Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be a man of few words here.

  christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.

  the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.

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  Thanks Hamas.

  Friedrich Nietzsche (who I do not always agree with) once called the morality in the Judeo-Christian religion a "slave morality." The Jews (supposedly) were slaves to the Egyptians. Then the Babylonians. Always oppressed, always looking for their Messiah, is it any wonder that they developed a philosophy of victims?

  The Christians took this attitude and ran with it -- in fact, making it worse. They were victims of the Romans and victims of the Pharisees (supposedly). But, in reality, they were victims of themselves and their self-deception. "Deliverance will come when Jesus arrives...." -- stunting their development psycholigically, philosophically, economically, politically and scientifically. Make no mistake, the JWs DO come close to the philosophy of the first Christians -- divorcing themselves from action and responsibility and waiting for a dream to materialize which simply never comes. It was only because of the work of Christian thinkers in later centuries that people were able to live a somewhat normal life. By pushing the parousia further into the future (or completely spiritualizing it) people could get by with what was right in front of them. But this was at the expense of intellectual honesty. Instead of throwing out the failure which is Christianity they paint over it's defects and apply remedies which simply diverts people's attentions away from it's unfullfillment. This process continues to this day.

  Don't be deceived into thinking the real problem is the JWs. Truly, it really is Christianity which is to blame.

  Bradley
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  Well, my little brother is heading back to the Dark Side...

  by Michael3000 in

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  2. friends

  this is so frustrating - just wanted to vent a bit.. .

  my younger brother, who has been "inactive" for about 8 years, has decided that everything wrong about his life is due to his not being "right with jehovah".

  arrrrrrgh!!!

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  "The Kingdom Hall -- Slaughterhouse for the Mind"

  Sorry, Mike.

  Bradley
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  Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be a man of few words here.

  christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.

  the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.

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  logansrun

  I'm going to be a man of few words here. Christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality. The Christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy. They must call on a force which there is no empirical evidence for whatsoever to solve their problems. The entire fundamental message of Christianity is, "You're helpless without Jesus."

  Furthermore, the Christian feels he/she is the victim of the sin of two people who lived six-thousand years ago. They cannot help sinning themselves. They are powerless against their weaknesses. Read Paul and you will see a man who feels worthless without the drug of the psyche which he calls the Ransom. Everywhere in the New Testament you see it: victimology, helplessness, weakness, guilt, shame, defenselessness. All this is said to magically disappear because God or the son of God died -- himself a victim.

  I say no. I say I'm not a victim. I say I have the power in my own life to face the challenges of existence no matter how joyful or how painful it is. I'm my own Messiah. I am a Christ unto myself.

  Don't be a victim. Don't look for some imaginary outside help from a crutch which no one has seen. Jesus doesn't save. Save yourself.

  Bradley
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  ...but I happen to like the JWs/WT.....

  by ScoobySnax in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses.

  the organisation.

  i love 'em both still.

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  I hate to be such a pessimist, but why do I feel that this entire thread is a total waste of time. Great advice and comments from many here...will there be any follow through? I'm not holding my breath.

  B
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  How many of you had the jw double life?

  by obiwan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was the prime example, if you looked in the dictionary under double life, my face would be right next to it!

  i would party on saturday night, and drag my butt to the sunday meeting hungover.

  does anyone here know how hard it is to answer a question during the wt study hungover?

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  I was as straight as an arrow as a dub. The only "double life" I led was my final two years in which I was knee-deep in personal doubts, apostasy and evil-lution. I must admit it....I looked down upon "double lifers" as a dub Now, I admire them

  Bradley
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  ...but I happen to like the JWs/WT.....

  by ScoobySnax in

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  jehovah's witnesses.

  the organisation.

  i love 'em both still.

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  I'm not going to beat around the bush. Scoob, I think the JWs are one of the most intellectually sophomoric and twisted religions there are, but if you like 'em.....

  Have you ever seen the Godfather? You know that scene where Vito Corleone is listening to his godson's weepy story about his faltering acting career?

  son: "Godfather, I don't know what to do....I don't know what to do...*sniff*".....

  Godfather: "Well, you could start acting like a man!!!"...

  You, Scoob, need to MAN UP. Get a hold of your feelings and thoughts and be decisive, goddammit. I am damn sick and tired of your tiny little posts about how peachy the JWs are (which is a gross oversimplification). Do you think or do you just feel your way through life? Decide, boy. Either get out of this forum, go do the "meeting thing", keep your pee-pee dry and become a Jehovah's Drone or not.

  For Chrissake, just do it.

  Bradley
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  Who Do You Think The Next President of the USA Will Be???

  by minimus in

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  i think george w. bush will be reelected.

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  logansrun

  heathen,

  The Libertarians, Greens or any other third party will never win any important election -- at least not for many, many years. The reason for this is that the US will always be a two-party state -- for reasons embedded right in the constitution*. Unless we are talking about a low-level election such as county chief librarian or something, any vote other than democrat or republican will be a vote totally wasted.

  * Here's the simplified reason as to why this is so (working from memory)...it's the electoral process. To be elected president you need over 50% of the vote. Let's say that there are three major candidates from the democrats, republicans and libertarians and the tally amounts to 35%, 20% and 45%. None of these candidates would have the necessary 51% so the general election would be completely nullified and the electoral process would go to Congress. The democratic process would be consigned to the opinions of a chosen few and we would essentially be living in an oligarchy. This is one important reason why we will always have a two-party system in America. Now, it is possible that a third party will eventually unseat one of the two major parties and we could end up choosing between, say, the democrats and greens. All the same, I wouldn't count on this happening anytime soon. Whether we like it or not, if we want our vote to matter we must choose between the democrats or the GOP.

  Bradley
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  Did the Watchtower Society Construction Crews in Brooklyn Bury Some Bodies?

  by Gamaliel in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well this isn't exactly what you might think, but i have the following information based on what i consider good authority.

  still, it's without a shred of hard evidence.

  i am bringing it up now before the watchtower society tries to sell off the particular building in question.

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  Ozzie said,

  I note that it's not referred to in Ray Franz's books.

  But, if it happened in the 1980's it would make sense that Ray wouldn't write about it since he would have had no first-hand knowledge of the incident since he was DF'd in the first year of that decade. If he personally had no "hard evidence" he probably would not have put it in his book since he's very punctillious about things like that. Note that no mention is made of the Greenlees and Chitty incidents in any of his works, yet we all know that something unsavory happened with them.

  I don't think the story is that implausible, although we probably will never really know for sure.

  Bradley
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  Marital seperation -- the Society's guidelines

  by logansrun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm curious..... the society's policies on the issue of a person seperating from his or her mate is the following (so far as i know):.

  the mate may "scripturally" seperate on the grounds of:.

  1) extreme abuse.

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  Stinky Pantz,

  Yeah, whatever the correct spelling is.

  Bradley
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  Can "Born-Into-Its" Ever Be Happy?

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering....take a 40 year old male ('cos he's an ex-elder!

  ) who's been born a dub.

  he becomes disenchanted with dubdom and eventually decides to leave.

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  I think that "Born into its" often have a problem with maturing into persons who have a set of morals of their own. Seems to me that, when they leave, they often go haywire and cause great hurt to others simply because they have no idea of where to draw the line.

  Personally, I'm completely dysfunctional. Time for another humpty hump.

  B