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  Can the jw organization be reformed?

  by wannaexit in

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  i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

  there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

  i don't feel like that anymore.

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  The following post is from poster member LaFrancia. He kindly asked if I would translate it. THESE ARE HIS OWN VIEWS NOT MINE.

  The Reform has already started, and no one can stop it!!! Italian brothers and non italians are living it with their own skin. There is the need to channel the voice of Jehovah's people with the appropriate tools.

  I repeat tht one one can stop the reform, not even the members of this forum. The theocratic structure rests soley because you want the top of the summit to stand.

  Human governments are keeping world's economic system by printing more money. But the reality is that the economic system is failing and needs reform with tough rules that combat speculation and corruption. It is the same with our theocratic organization.

  The present organization, with its 7 levels of power management does nothing but increase the platform of corruption, favoring often corrupt and non-christian behavior to the detriment of honest brothers.

  The governing body had already discussed some of the reforms. For example , the practice of disfellowshipping. But there are certain elements that oppose these reforms. There are certain "theocratic lobbyist" that have no interest in wholesome change as they are safeguarding their own particular interest.

  The base of Jehovah's people ask the top management of [watchtower] to publicize the reforms that remain in the drawers of the governing body, and above all publicize the names of those that oppose theocratic change.

  The whole and healhty part of the organization is in every nation, it is present and it will not stand to watch while others put aside the good name of being a Jehovah's witness.

  Individual brothers have given their whole life to uphold principles such as onesty, responsibility, sacrifice, humility, and loyalty. These same people have contributed to God's good name while others are destroying it..

  Trust in God, this reform group in Italy has given itself 3 years to share these ideas. The 3 years have expired. The ball has been launched, its up to others to catch it.

  Warm Regards,
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  Can the jw organization be reformed?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

  there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

  i don't feel like that anymore.

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  Thank you everyone for chiming in.

  Justmom well said.

  LaFrancia- I applaud your zeal as is evident by your blog which I will continue to read.

  I've been thinking lately about Jesus' words that "a man does not put new wine into old wineskins" . Is reform putting new wine in old wineskins? And is reform a symptom of "a house divided"? I think it is.

  Also if this is truly an organization guided by God, in the final analysis is a reform not suggesting that there is something wrong with God?

  It will be interesting to see what the future brings for the jw org.
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  Can the jw organization be reformed?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

  there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

  i don't feel like that anymore.

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  wannaexit

  I know that this has been discussed in the past but I wanted to get some fresh opinions. There are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.

  In 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and I truly started to understand TTATT, I still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.

  I felt that Russell had some doctrinal things right. I don't feel like that anymore. I also don't have any respect for Russell and have since learned that whatever he had right was borrowed by his own contemporaries and other faiths.

  The question whether the organization can be reformed came up again for me while dialoguing with a a pleasant and for all respects sincere jw who feels that reform is possible.

  What do the brilliant minds of JWD say?
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  New announcement at this weeks midweek meeting?

  by rosyray in

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  the congregation i'm from is having their meeting tonight.

  my husband said that his brother in law, who is an elder, called and said that there were going to be some big announcements tonight and to bring a notepad, because you will want to take notes.. does anybody know about this and what are the announcements?

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  Well, there was an announcement that the governing body has approved the use of tablets when giving talks.
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  Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......

  by DATA-DOG in

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  just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

  if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

  any active jw may answer this question.

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  As Italians would say :all smoke but no roast". ----

  I don't think Data-Dog will be satisfied
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  FROM Italy : The 10+1 Urgent Reforms.....to return the trust and honesty in your Organization

  by LaFrancia in

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  reform of goverinig body.

  transparency of their regular meetings and reports to the brotherhood.

  creating a committee for biblical reforms.

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  La Francia, you've aroused my interest--but I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. Is something happening at the Rome bethel? Please check your Pm I would like to understand further.
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  Stands For True Worship - Blood

  by problemaddict in

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  hello sftw,.

  when you have a moment.

  why not have a respectful conversation about the societies blood doctrine, the evolution of that doctrine, and the implications of that doctrine.

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  Really interested in the explanation. I'll have to bump too
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  WARNING! "I AM CALLING THE ELDERS ON YOU NOW! STUPID PUBLISHERS THREATENING THEIR MATE AND LOVED ONES!

  by AuntConnie in

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  why are people so weak in the organization and unable to keep their partner of twenty years free from the accusations of gossip mongering brothers and sister?.

  this thread is dedicated to all the couples who suffered great damage when their immature spouse brought in the elders for every wrongdoing their loved ones might have done.

  the organization twists the reality of the role the elders play in a congregation.

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  Dear AuntConnie, I'll be sleeping a little better tonight with the anticipation of reading your post with my coffee in the morning. Kiss Kiss and good night
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  Pioneer Service School Adjustment for 2014

  by bnybyt in

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  the pioneer service school will now be only one week, monday thru saturday.. it will consist of 40 hours of instruction and illustrations/presentations.. the reasong given is that this will make it more accessible to the pioneers for due to work schedules and for congregations having to sponsor and support the school.. it will make it easier on everyone and those who haven't attended in the last five years may be able to attend this school with the new curriculum.. .

  what do you feel would be included in the new curriculum.

  probably more worship of the governing body and they don't need two whole weeks to get this across.. .

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  I went to one of first pioneer schools back in the mid seventies. The same crap that was taught back then is taught today . But you are probably correct that more emphasis is places on the governing kings.
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  How would elders react if I tell them that I would accept blood?

  by Daniel1555 in

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  2. medical

  just recently i explained to my parents and my wife in detail, why i would accept blood or red, white blood cells, platelets or plasma in a medical emergency.

  i showed them the inconsistencies and flaws about blood fractions and also the biblical reasons that show clearly that jehovah and jesus do not want a jehovah's witness to die because of that wrong doctrine.. my parents reacted surprised.

  they are both about 50 years in the "truth.

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  wannaexit

  I agree with those that say yu would get disfellowshipped.