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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

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  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  Marvin Shilmer - This gal was hired by Watchtower to do one thing: make its policy look nicy-nice to the RC.

  Good point. And, based on all the testimony I have seen so far by JW elders/representatives and expert witness, I would say that there is a huge disconnect. The Organization's argument seems to be on showing that they can justify their policies and ideas because they are prescribed by the Bible and logically consistent with their own material. The RC's argument is about questioning the efficacy and reasonableness of the JW policies and ideas against secular/humanitarian sensibilities. These are two different things. And, I think you can see it in some of the reactions of the RC members. There is definitely a tone of frustration coming out of the RC at times.
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  StrongHaiku

  I think, in typical JW fashion, JW elders/representatives went in with the idea that the angels would provide just the right words for them to say like they were going door-to-door or something. They walked in with an indefensible position and, I imagine, confident that Jehovah would put just the right words in their mouths. Epic fail...
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  StrongHaiku

  I am still stunned by the irony that someone who is "worldly" (and catholic and a woman) was paid well by the GB to review/scrutinize their practices. If the R&F tried to do the same they would be on an express-elevator to a JC.
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  StrongHaiku

  The question I would have asked Dr. Applewhite, if given the opportunity would be, "...knowing what you now know about Jehovah's Witnesses, would you ever consider becoming one, and/or bringing your children/family into it, or even recommending it to others as "the truth"?"

  I hope these hearings will be of a lot of benefits. And, I hope very strongly that there will be a number of people in that room that will never want to become a JW. Priceless...
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  Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  2. child-abuse

  what can i add?

  this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .

  i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..

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  Vidiot - Figured as much, but then, why bother with attorneys at all?

  Good question. In the US, you can have a lawyer sit next to you when you are testifying in a "Grand Jury" or "Congressional Hearing". For example, they can lean over, and whisper in your ear to advice you (e.g. how to answer, and help you with your rights against self-incrimination) but they do not address the court/hearing directly. Also, by being in the room the lawyer can take better notes and collect information to develop/prepare next steps, strategies, etc.
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

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  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Thinking back when I was a witness ~30 years ago, I would have been disturbed by a secular, "worldly"-educated person trying to represent the Organization. I had fully bought into the idea that the "truth" and the Organization could stand for themselves in the face of contrary opinion, evidence, etc. I was taught that ANY JW worth their salt could represent the Organization and Jehovah with just a Bible. If you have the "truth" why would you need an "expert witness"? This is all too surreal...
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  freemindfade - This just in: Bethel now accepting catholics too!

  LOL! Scandals make for strange bedfellows.
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  November 2015 Watchtower - More Money 'Begging'

  by jwleaks in

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  making donations to the worldwide work of jehovah's witnesses.

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151115/donations-worldwide-work/.

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  StrongHaiku

  Wills and Trusts: Property or money may be bequeathed to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses by means of a legally executed will or by specifying the entity as the beneficiary of a trust agreement. This arrangement may provide certain tax advantages.

  I can imagine, at some point in the future, the GB offering to provide legal expertise to expedite the process. For example, I could imagine them providing a "boiler plate" template to help the R&F set up wills, trusts, etc. I can imagine this in a future publication or talk - e.g. "The Organization has provided a loving arrangement/provision to get you started on setting up wills and trusts (insert Bible text to back up their idea here).......You can download the template and instructions from JW.org or see your local elders..."
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  Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  what can i add?

  this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .

  i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..

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  Vidiot

  Something just occurred to me...why aren't the WT lawyers yelling "objection!" at every other question the Commission asks?

  Just speculating here, but if this hearing is anything like a "Grand Jury" or "Congressional Hearing" in the US, you cannot object.
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  Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  anyone know who this monty baker is?

  i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

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  StrongHaiku

  Arguments in law sometimes fall on a simple strategy (to paraphrase):

  If the facts are against you, use the law. If law is against you, use the facts. If both the law and facts are against you, discredit the victim and/or witnesses.

  And, if everything else is failing, buy yourself an "expert witness" to muddy the waters.