Posts by StrongHaiku

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Mom says, "CO says there's only 15 years left!"

by Separation of Powers in

i don't typically hear from my mom often, but i tell you, over the past couple of weeks, i have heard from her several times.

you heard the comment about "our way of worship will be altered" and thank you for your posts by the way....but yesterday, she calls and is asking about the kids and then, in typical jw fashion mind you, says:.

"you know, you should really get back to meetings.

StrongHaiku

After I left the "Organization" I started to play cards for fun and profit. Don't judge :-) You learn a lot of about psychology doing that. I think a lot of JWs exhibit what is known as "loss aversion" - aka "chasing your loses". You watch people at the table invest/lose $1000, then they lose $10,000 trying to gain their original, $1000. They can't walk away from their original loss and in a few hours their down $100,000. And because of desperation they play badly and recklessly.

A witness who served looking to 1975 as a payoff then doubles down to 1984, then to 2014, etc. They are invested. They are chasing the loss and can't walk away from the table.

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Devolution, not evolution

by abiather in

scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

one can dismiss this as an exception*!

yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

StrongHaiku

abiather, I think you are mixing a number of separate ideas which are probably best to address individually.

Evolution provides a satisfactory answer to your first point as to why certain organisms may or may not change over time. It is an impersonal mechanism that is not man-made and does not require belief for it to work.

The rest of the points you listed (e.g. religion, social institutions, economics, governments, etc.) may be better analyzed under the framework of social/cultural evolution, semiotics, philosophy, psychology, and other man-made constructs. And, to be fair, these may operate in a similar way as evolution. This is what many are trying to do in the field of memetics, which at present is a weak theory but serves as an interesting analogue to evolution.

However, you then seem to add God into the equation and try to tie (and/or explain) those ideas together. I think? Perhaps to you the above don't make sense without the idea of a God/Designer/Prime Mover. I think this is true for many theists.

As an atheist, I will be happy to add God to the equation if it ever becomes necessary.

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Do you obsess about JWs?

by Half banana in

do we obsess about the jw org?

i admit i do.

the reason is that two of my offspring are still held hostages by the beliefs of the cult..

StrongHaiku

cleanlines, your comments resonate with me. I was out for about 25 years. All of my immediate family is still in the "Organization" so I am alone. Through all of those years I never did any research on what they were currently teaching or went to any ex-JW sites. It wasn't until this year until I did so. In those 25 years I woke up with a dark cloud over my head about my family and what I had lost.

One of the things my family was able to do for 25 years was continuing to making me feel bad and inferior. And, I believed that I deserved the shunning, etc. However, in the past year sites like this have given me the tools to understand that the "Organization" is just a business and nothing more. And, that my family and the "Organization" has no moral superiority over me. At the very least, I feel much better because, unlike them, I do not harbor criminals. That's very liberating.

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"Religion gives us the Why"

by Phizzy in

i have heard this nonsense said by many believers, especially when science conflicts with their belief, they say:.

" well, science may tell us how we got here, religion tells us why we are here".

does religion tell us that ?

StrongHaiku

Mlllie210, your story resonates with so many of us. What you are describing sounds a lot like an "Existential Crisis". There is a body of psychotherapy ("Existential Therapy") which might provide you additional tools to deal with that "free fall" effect and help you develop a sense for your own meaning.

I have often heard the statement "Religion gives us the 'Why'" and each time I just have to shake my head and do a 'facepalm'. If you compare all Religions in the most objective way all you will find are a collection of people (usually from the Bronze Age) who codified their answers/opinions to that question. I think we are much smarter than them and know much more than they did and are likely to come up with better answers. If you really think about it "Religion" doesn't really seem to provide an answer. All it does is makes you "feel" like you have one. Kinda of like a "Teddy Bear" makes a child feel safe.

Science can and does provide a large number of "Why" answers. However, its role is not to replace the "Teddy Bear". And, I think this is were many people get stuck.

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Translating and deciphering witness expressions.

by stuckinarut2 in

i wanted to start a thread with correct explanations of what witnesses really mean when they say stuff... please add to it!.

"we missed you at the last meeting" = "where were you?

why did you miss a meeting!?".

StrongHaiku

"Apostate Literature" = Literature...

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Translating and deciphering witness expressions.

by stuckinarut2 in

i wanted to start a thread with correct explanations of what witnesses really mean when they say stuff... please add to it!.

"we missed you at the last meeting" = "where were you?

why did you miss a meeting!?".

StrongHaiku

"Overlapping Generation" = There! Here is something shiny to play with. That will keep you busy for a while.

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Some screenshots from new KH meeting!

by pixel in

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they just put up a link to watch a replay of the "new kh meeting", here some screenshots.. .

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StrongHaiku

Add some neon signs and it looks like a Strip Club...

"Modern Architecture! Efficient and Beauty-free!" - Tom Servo

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Have JW relatives disinherited you? (especially Canadian)

by berrygerry in

interesting court case whereby the entire will was declared void because the father was racist.. would that not also apply to jw's who disinherit their non-jw family?.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/29/judge-rejects-ontario-mans-racist-will-that-disinherited-daughter-for-having-bastard-white-son/.

StrongHaiku

My apologies. I posted the previous comment on the wrong thread...

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Translating and deciphering witness expressions.

by stuckinarut2 in

i wanted to start a thread with correct explanations of what witnesses really mean when they say stuff... please add to it!.

"we missed you at the last meeting" = "where were you?

why did you miss a meeting!?".

StrongHaiku

"Unproductive Territory" = The people living there are too well-educated, successful, and happy to exploit.

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Have JW relatives disinherited you? (especially Canadian)

by berrygerry in

interesting court case whereby the entire will was declared void because the father was racist.. would that not also apply to jw's who disinherit their non-jw family?.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/29/judge-rejects-ontario-mans-racist-will-that-disinherited-daughter-for-having-bastard-white-son/.

StrongHaiku

"Unproductive Territory" = The people living there are too well-educated, successful, and happy to exploit.