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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

Voyager

If the letter from the Watchtower did not appear above, then here is the link, you may have to cut and paste.

http://www.kent.steinhaug.no/forum/showthread.php?s=f668c12d1de03f9e9f4f9abaa4123adb&threadid=35

Thanks!

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

On Kent's site (WTO), this person wrote to the Watchtower about a website that was giving JWs a bad name or (apostate). Then the Watchtower wrote them back and remarked that the Watchtower Society (does not) approve of electronic debates.

So how did the Watchtower Society know that the website the writer spoke of, was having electronic debates, unless the Watchtower higher-ups (reviewed) the website themselves? See below:

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

Voyager

Slimboyfat:

Now that we have shown you some proof that they take (NOTICE) of these sites, now how about you showing us some proof that they (don't) visit apostate websites!

We will await your scanned letter from Headquarters that they don't monitor apostate websites!

Please scan it for us as soon as possible. OK!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Sure, I would be happy to help. But I believe that (ExpatBrit said it best. Here are his comments:

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The Watchtower & the cigarette company

Post 3283 of 3851
since 13-Feb-01

I: SOME RELEVANT QUOTES FROM WATCHTOWER PUBLICATIONS

1: The position of the Watchtower as regards smoking

*** jv 181 13 Recognized by Our Conduct ***As a further forward step in consistent application of that Bible counsel, none who were still smoking were accepted for baptism from 1973 onward. During the following months, those who were actively involved in tobacco production or in promoting the sale of tobacco were helped to realize that they could not continue to do that and be accepted as Jehovah's Witnesses.

2: Watchtower criticism of the Catholic Church's involvement in the tobacco business

*** g95 10/8 28 Watching the World *** "Holiness, why does the
Vatican still sell cigarettes?" a priest asked John Paul II during the pope's yearly audience with the clergy of Rome. He continued: "Besides damaging health, this commerce contradicts your continual appeals in favor of the protection of health and our pastoral activity." For Ugo Mesini, the 76-year-old priest, the fact that the Vatican sells tobacco and cigarettes containing the statement "smoking is damaging to your health" is a "counter-testimony" and a "contradiction" to the pope's message. As reported in the Rome newspaper Il Messaggero, the pope replied that on the matter of tobacco, his "conscience is clear." He promised, though, to speak about the Vatican's cigarette sales with the overseeing cardinal.

3: Watchtower quote on whether a Jehovah's Witness can be involved in selling cigarettes

*** w99 4/15 29 Questions From Readers *** 3. To what degree is the person involved? Let us return to the example of a store. Probably an employee assigned to run the cash register or to fill the shelves only occasionally handles cigarettes or religious items; that is a small part of his overall work. What a contrast, though, with an employee in the same store who works at the tobacco counter!

4: Quote regarding not investing in "unethical" enterprises

*** g00 10/8 pp. 25-27 Is It Wise to Invest in the Stock Market? ***

By considering the background of a company, an investor can also ensure that his money will not be used to support an unethical enterprise.-See Awake!, February 8, 1962, pages 21-3.

II: THE HENRIETTA M. RILEY TRUST.

The H M Riley Trust is a U.S. trust that has the Watchtower Society as the sole beneficiary. Basically, it is a vehicle to make income for the Watchtower, using assets left by Henrietta Riley. The income generated by the trust is transferred to the Watchtower by means of a "donation". For the year ended April 30, 2002, the trust generated income of $1,740,127 and donated $1,945,645 to the Watchtower. In comparison, for the 2001 year the trust generated $2,939,731 in income, and donated $3,285,050 to the Watchtower. The difference between income and expenditure is made up by realising gains on the assets held.

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Has Anyone Got Any Proof That The Society Monitors Apostate Web Sites?

by slimboyfat in

i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.

so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?

here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.

Voyager

Why should we have to (prove) what the Governing Body already (admits)?

The Governing Body (admits) that they (NOTICE) these websites!

The word (NOTICE), means simply, The act of (OBSERVING)!

Please see the (Kingdom Ministry/ November/1999/pages 4-5/ which states quote:

17 Sadly, some who were once our brothers and sisters have had to be disfellowshipped because of association that started by meeting worldly individuals in chat rooms on the Internet and eventually led to immorality. In shocked disbelief, elders have written that some had actually left their husbands or wives to pursue a relationship that began on the Internet. (2 Tim. 3:6) Other individuals have disowned the truth because of believing information provided by apostates. (1 Tim. 4:1, 2) Given these very serious dangers, does it not seem reasonable to be cautious about becoming involved in chat sessions on the Internet? Certainly, exercising the wisdom, knowledge, thinking ability, and discernment spoken of at Proverbs 2:10-19 should safeguard us in this.

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Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscreet brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1997, page 3, stated: "There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah?s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it."

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