Posts by Voyager

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The Watchtower's Bribery Dilemma ( April 1 '05 Watchtower)

by metatron in

in recent years, some witnesses in former soviet territory got their names in the papers.

for supposedly trying to bribe officials to stop harassing them.

in response, the watchtower.

Voyager

Watchtower/2003/June/15th/Bribery/

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Simply

a Custom or Bribery?

AT SOME Polish colleges, students customarily collect money to buy gifts for their teachers, hoping to get better grades on their exams. No wonder a young Christian named Katarzyna faced a difficult situation. "Shall I give money or not?" she wondered. Her peers reasoned: "It is a common custom. You risk nothing, but you can gain a lot, so why do you have doubts?"

"I have to admit that in my first year of studies, I participated in the collection of money," acknowledges Katarzyna. "Only later did I realize that in this way I had supported bribery, which is condemned in the Bible." She recalled scriptures that show that Jehovah strongly disapproves of bribery. (Deuteronomy 10:17; 16:19; 2 Chronicles 19:7) Katarzyna says: "I understood how easy it is to succumb to peer pressure. I thought it over and since then never shared in this custom again." Over the last three years, despite ridicule from other students, she was able to explain to some that she does not participate in these "gift" collections because of her Bible-based convictions.

Some accused Katarzyna of selfishness and an antisocial attitude. "I still do not get along well with some of them," she says. "On the other hand, many respect my point of view, which makes me glad." Katarzyna became known as one of Jehovah?s Witnesses, who observe Bible principles in everyday life.

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Mary:

Good point Mary. You hit the nail right on the head. What hypocrites!

Nobody is pulling the wool over your eyes thats for sure!

Thanks Mary, and keep up the good work!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Whiskeyjack:

Good point Whiskeyjack! I'll bet that he is such a good lawyer, that he could convince the Watchtower (not) to disfellowship (him) if the (trust) was in (his) name!--------Yeah-right!

Thanks Whiskeyjack!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Well considering that (Expatbrit) posted the information (years) ago, there has not been even (one) document produced from the Watchtower to discredit his information exposing them. But the JWs can keep trying if they like!

And after all of the (other) lies the Watchtower has told, why should anyone believe them anyway? They lied about their relationship with (Regi--Rand Cam), then they lied about the (United Nations), then they lied about the (pedophile situations) in the congregations, so why would anyone want to believe them now?

Would (THEY) believe (YOU) if the tables were turned?

Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

.

i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

whiskeyjack:

That was good whiskeyjack, I liked that comment! No-body is going to (pee) down your back and tell you its raining! Good show whiskeyjack!

Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

As stated before, can the Watchtower truly claim that they are living up to the example of Jesus Christ if they (allow) their name even to be associated with H.M Riley or Phippip Morris, when others would be disfellowshipped for doing so?

Even if the Watchtower (never) took one dime of contributions from Phillip Morris, can the Watchtower say that they are (innocent) from stumbling others?

It is not our fault that JWs have been so deeply brain-washed, that the only evidence they will accept is Watchtower documents. But because things are that way, and because JWs come here to this forum, then we must (require) a Watchtower document that (denies) such donations were ever received, recently or in the past!

That request is (not) un-reasonable! That request has still (not) been met!

The religious organization that truly is serving God, in harmony with the example set by Jesus Christ, concentrates on preaching and teaching the liberating truths of his Word and does not become involved in commercial businesses. Following the Bible's instructions, it does not involve itself in "the commercial businesses of life."-2 Tim. 2:4.

Expatbrit

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The Watchtower in Crisis: Why They Can't Raise Good Kids (pt 1)

by metatron in

jw
friends

raising good kids these days is a difficult task.

jehovah's witnesses, however, are .

encountering wide spread defeat in this critical mission, in large measure, because of the.

Voyager

Metatron:

Why do you think the

Society has had to 'harp on' taking care of your sick or elderly parents in the organization

in recent years?

Very true Metatron and very well said! I can't remember how many elderly brothers and sisters were left on their own to suffer through the hard times with absolutely (NO) help from congregation members.

Our family knew an elderly couple who lived in an old broken down school bus, and they were the only two in the congregation that were of the (anointed)! They literally lived on Social Security and food stamps.

My GrandFather was a farmer, and we would take them eggs, milk, beef, fruit, and vegetables to help sustain them. They were very nice people. I'll never forget them!

Thanks Metatron, and keep up the good work, looking forward to the (second) part!

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need Mandarin chinese materials

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

does anyone know of anything counter-watchtower in mandarin chinese?

i can't seem to find anything in chinese.

randy.

Voyager

Randy:

I will call this (instructor) tomorrow on the phone and see if some assistance can be given in finding some ant-JW literature in Mandarin. If anybody can find it, then these language instructors should know exactly where to look.

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need Mandarin chinese materials

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

does anyone know of anything counter-watchtower in mandarin chinese?

i can't seem to find anything in chinese.

randy.

Voyager

Randy:

I have already e-mailed the website and sent you a copy.

Thanks!

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need Mandarin chinese materials

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

does anyone know of anything counter-watchtower in mandarin chinese?

i can't seem to find anything in chinese.

randy.

Voyager

Dogpatch:

All of this information came from the same website:

http://www.saintsalive.com/newsletters/jan_feb-00_nl.htm

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Semi Annual Conferences now being beamed across the Internet

Excerpted from a report by

http://www.generalconference.com

We have a scalable capacity starting at a 100,000 audio stream and we can go up from there," he said.
The Internet offering is expected to be especially popular with Mormons living in regions of the world without radio or television access. ? The cyber-broadcasts, available for PC and Macintosh platforms, will be offered in 12 languages: English, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, German, French, Samoan, Tongan, Korean, Cambodian and both the Mandarin and Cantonese Chinese dialects.With more than 10 million members spread over 160 nations and territories, the LDS Church sees the addition of Internet portals to conference proceedings as a logical step to enhancing members' access to the latest developments concerning their faith.

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. ?? Two Southern Baptist congregations are preparing a crusade to teach their members how to convert "cult" members, including Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.
The Cult Awareness Impact Crusade is scheduled for Feb. 6-8 at Calvary Baptist Church and Oaklawn Baptist Church.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians, say the Rev. Mark Corts, Calvary's senior pastor, and the Rev. Philip Henry, assistant pastor for evangelism and new-member assimilation.

They want to help prevent their members from joining those religions and teach them how to convert Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons to Christianity.

They might be able to get you in contact with some materials in the Mandarin Chinese counter-JW subjects. Or help you find som-one who can get the materials for you.

If this doesn't help, then I'll keep looking!