Metatron:
I appreciate that post metatron, and agree with you whole-heartedly. What you wrote has been proven time and time again.
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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?
by metatron inwhen a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.
with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.
are sincere but misguided.
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WT Letter about elders' sins
by IT Support insomeone recently posted a topic which included a link to a wt letter to bodies of elders.
the letter stated that if an elder confessed to having committed a serious (i.e.
disfellowshippable) sin a number of years ago, and nobody knew about it, he need not be removed.
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This might be the letter your looking for. Please note paragraph 4 in the Watchtower letter.
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/pedo.htm
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By Rado Vleugel
On June 1, 2001 the Watchtower Society of Britain send a letter to all bodies of elders about how to handle with child molesters in the congregation. The letter shows that it is no problem at all that elders and ministerial servants, who in the past have abused children, continue to 'serve' the congregation.
The letter writes:
"The elders may have written to the branch office and given full details about a former child abuser who is currently serving as an elder or ministerial servant. In such a case, if the branch office has decided that he can be appointed or continue serving in a position of trust because the sin occurred many years ago and because he has lived an exemplary life since then, his name should not appear on the List, nor is it necessary to pass on information about the brother's past sin if he moves to another congregation unless contrary instructions have been given by the branch. "
Below are the scans of this letter:
"This is the text of a letter sent to all Presiding Overseers in the UK. It was given to an elder by his PO. This elder was so shocked by what he read he had two copies made and had them notarized by a solicitor as true copies. We met this elder the same day. He showed us the original so we could verify its authenticity ourselves, and he gave us both copies. He made two small alterations to the copies. He obliterated a two-letter code that preceded the date. This identified the congregation. He does not wish to identify his congregation at this time because of the potential repercussions to the PO who inadvertently broke the Society's instructions by letting the letter out of his possession."
I received the scans of this letter from one of my sources. The additional information that you find above and below are taken from the e-mail I received from this source.
"I have obtained a copy of a Society letter pertaining to procedures involving pedophiles (child molesters). Julia and I have verified that both the elder and the letter are genuine. (We are not at liberty to disclose his identity at this time, but we can tell you he has been a JW for nearly 30 years and an elder for almost half that time.)
He is angry and upset at what the Society are now doing in relation to the issues surrounding this subject. In his home congregation is a known pedophile Ministerial Servant currently being investigated by the Police. The elder states that he has been appalled to see the other elders shield him, and that this protection is endorsed by the Circuit and District Overseers. He is still being allowed to serve as a Ministerial Servant in all capacities and, of course, go from door-to-door.
The elder had notarised solicitors copies made before asking us to make the letter public. I would therefore request any of you who have websites to post this as you see fit along with any personal observations you may wish to make.
Those of us who have had extensive dealings with the Society know exactly what the "legalese" is all about. Its called (in polite circles) "covering your backside!" We personally feel that the fourth paragraph is a shoking indigtment of how "safe havens" are created in the congregations for these child abusers.
It is our hope that you will be able to use this information to help sincere JW's see the true face of the organisation. Our experience is that those in control of the Society are motivated now largely by self-preservation and self-interest. Rather than being "the Truth" they will do almost anything to cover up the truth.
As you read this, the latest episode in the "Watchtower Pedophile Tragedy", spare a thought for the thousands of innocent young victims that needlessly suffer horrific abuse every day because of Watchtower legalism."! ! -
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Do Bethel Applications Mention This?
by Voyager innew york telephone building, .
32nd st.. new york telephone building, .
42nd st. & 6th ave.. new york telephone building, .
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Thank you! And I sure hope that none of you have been harmed by being there. I know for a fact that Randy Watters (suffers) health problems from being there.
Take care!
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Kids Say The "Funniest" Things!
by Voyager incatholic elementary (bible) school test.
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
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Thank you all for your comments. I have to agree with you. When my wife and I read some of those answers, we nearly busted a gut.
Take care! and Thanks again!
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Kids Say The "Funniest" Things!
by Voyager incatholic elementary (bible) school test.
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
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If you did not find the comments, they are located to the (far right) of the article. After I posted it, everything seemed to have moved over there, instead of in the center. Scroll---------->
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Kids Say The "Funniest" Things!
by Voyager incatholic elementary (bible) school test.
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml .
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Catholic Elementary (Bible) School Test.
http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_3060.shtml
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By: Feb 3, 2004, 18:01
Pay special attention to the wording and spelling. It comes from a Catholic elementary school test. Kids were asked questions about the Old and New Testaments. The following statements about the Bible were written by children. They have not been retouched or corrected.
1. In the first book of the bible, Guinessis, God got tired of creating the world, so he took the Sabbath off.
2. Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. Noah's wife was called Joan of Ark. Noah built an ark, which the animals come on to in pears.
3. Lot's wife was a pillar of salt by day, but a ball of fire by night.
4. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble with the unsympathetic Genitals.
5. Samson was a strongman who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel like Delilah.
6. Samson slayed the Philistines with the axe of the Apostles.
7. Moses led the Hebrews to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread which is bread without any ingredients.
8. The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards, Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten amendments.
9. The first commandment was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple.
10. The seventh commandment is thou shalt not admit adultery.
11. Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of Geritol.
12. The greatest miracle in the Bible is when Joshua told his son to stand still and he obeyed him.
13. David was a hebrew king skilled at playing the liar. He fought the Finklesteins, a race of people who lived in Biblical times.
14. Solomon, one of David's sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.
15. When Mary heard that she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna Carta.
16. When the three wise guys from the east side arrived, they found Jesus in the manager.
17. Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption.
18. St. John the blacksmith dumped water on his head.
19. Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says to do one to others before they do one to you. He also explained, a man doth not live by sweat alone.
20. It was a miracle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the tombstone off the entrance.
21. The people who followed the lord were called the 12 decibels.
22. The epistles were the wives of the apostles.
23. One of the oppossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan.
24. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity. He preached holy acrimony, which is another name for marriage.
25. Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony.
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Tsunami could have a negative backlash on sincere JWs
by eyeslice inthe horrific scenes from se asia we have seen on tv over the past week will have an effect one way or another on many jws.
yes, the hardliners will see this as a part of the prelude to armageddon; "famine and earthquakes in various places".
(mat 24) this sort mentally dismisses the unequalled loss of human life, reasoning that most of these would have died at armageddon anyway.
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Eyeslice wrote:
The Armageddon message is going to be a difficult one to sell to the public over the next year, and I can see many JWs slowing down and beginning to ask some searching questions relating to this disaster.
I totally agree! I have already been receiving E-mails from friends who ask:
1. If the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (did not) forsee the Tsunami Disaster coming, then how in the world can they (forsee) even a (larger) disaster in the future such as that of Armageddon? After all, isn't God the (only) one who is supposed to know of the day and hour?
2. How many testimonies will there be by many of the people who were affected by the disaster, to the effect that Jehovah's Witnesses were there to aid, but they aided their own first, rather than offerred aid to ANYONE else at the time?
3. Why are there (different) stories coming from JWs that are (close) to the effected areas, than those stories coming from Watchtower Headquarters?
4. Why are there reports of JWs stopping to fill (water) jugs at unaffected facilities, when the Watchtower Headquarters, claim that (funds) have been allocated to supply the JWs fresh water?
5. Why do we see that there are indeed (trucks) that can arrive close to some of these affected areas, when the Watchtower Headquarters stated that (no) trucks, (such as their own) can be used to get supplies there?
6. Doesn't the Watchtower (own) a couple of Yaughts, that could get some supplies to areas that are hard to get to?
7. Couldn't the Watchtower put one of their (airplanes) at the disposal of some of the victims, and fly them back over here to the United States, if they are from here? Doesn't the Watchtower have Aviation approval to fly to other countries (anyway), due to the different Branch Offices being located in some of these countries (close) to the affected areas?
In-other-words, there are going to be a whole lot of questions that will arise from this. And the (whole) world will get a birds eye view of just how (loving) the Watchtower Society is to their fellow man!
Thanks Eyeslice!
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Should "Quick Builds" Exempt Kids From School?
by Voyager inhttp://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2004/12/30/local_news/news01.txt .
http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2004/12/30/local_news/news01.txt .
local weather.
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http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2004/12/30/local_news/news01.txt
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Paragould volunteers help build churches across state, beyond
By HANNAH BURNEY
Daily PressPhoto courtesy of Alison Harbour with The Sentinel-Record
Crew members work to finish a new church for the Jehovah's Witness congregations in Hot Springs. Inclement weather forced crews to work at a slower pace than normal and finish the building in five days instead of the usual four.PARAGOULD - Rome wasn't built in a day, and inclement weather forced Paragould volunteers with the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses to work at a slower pace than usual building a new church for the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Hot Springs.
They finished the church in five days.
Don Friend, the inside coordinator on the project, said volunteers usually complete a building in four days, beginning on a Thursday and finishing the following Sunday.
"We started a day early on the project in Hot Springs, because we wanted to get ahead of the weather," Friend said.Seventeen volunteers from Paragould helped with the project.
Friend said there is usually a group of 30 volunteers for such projects, but the weather kept some from participating.
Volunteers worked in freezing temperatures in the days before and during the holidays trying to finish the project.
"We had to put heaters out so they could do their brick work," Friend said.At peak times, Friend said, around 400-500 volunteers could participate on the projects.
He added that the congregation also has several youth members who volunteer their time to help build the churches.*****************************************************************************************
"They get an exemption from school. It teaches them to be giving of themselves," he said.*****************************************************************************************
Friend has served on the Arkansas Regional Building Committee since 1992 and has been volunteering to build facilities for Jehovah's Witness congregations since 1983. He said the committee builds churches in areas bordering Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and throughout Arkansas.
"This got started back in the late 70s. It started out on a small scale. At one time, we built them in two days. Now, we take our time and build them in four," he said, laughing.
Friend said the committee has two more churches lined up for the spring and one already booked for next fall.
"Jehovah's Witnesses are growing in Arkansas. That's why there is such a need. There are seven congregations in Hot Springs. They are planning on building one or two more buildings for the congregations," he said. "We built one in Springdale about six years ago, and they had one congregation. Now there are four."
Congregations in need of a facility will purchase the land for the building site and then the committee must approve the area. After that, Friend said, it is just a matter of scheduling a date the volunteer crews can work.
"Sometimes, a congregation will sell an existing building to buy the land, or they may finance it through other sources. I think it helps that they are getting a quality building, and they don't have to pay for the labor," he said.
He added that the volunteers' job is made easier by cooperation from inspectors.
"We appreciate the inspectors very much. They were just super. They work very well with us," Friend said.
Through the 99 Regional Building Committees across the United States, Friend said, about 1,000 new churches are being built a week for Jehovah's Witness congregations.
While the volunteers provide quality facilities for congregations in need, Friend said, they still consider their main purpose to be in talking to people about the Bible.
"It's something Jesus said had to be done. The sooner we have a church built, the sooner we have a place to invite people to talk with them," he said.********************************************************************************
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My Phone Conversation With Watchtower on Tsunami Disaster!
by Voyager inmy telephone conversation with the watchtower society, was a sincere attempt to find out what active role the watchtower is taking to help the tsunami victims.
thursday dec. 30, 2004 / approx.
watchtower call on tsunami disaster.. 1-718-560-5000. wt-recording--thank you for calling jehovah's witnesses.. wt rep--jehovah's witnesses, may i help you?.
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candidlynuts:
Thanks for your comments candidlynuts. I was at least glad that the Watchtower claimed to be providing fresh water. Right now, fresh water is a must for those poor folks. I do agree, that some of the answers I received seemed vague. But I also realize that the Watchtower higher-ups probably give the witnesses who answer the telephones an (outline) of what to say, and what (not) to say. Sort of like a (phone) presentation. Any questions that are different from what they are used to answering, they must have to refer you to a different department. I was surprized when the first rep told me that there (was no great loss of life), yet it was clear that (2) Jehovah's Witnesses had died. Even (one) death in my book is a (great loss). But I know what they meant. They meant it wasn't in the hundreds or thousands in numbers. I hope they will be able to do more since every (foot) of Dumbo property is selling for $600 to $900 dollars a (square) foot. That kind of money could sure go to saving a lot of lives.
Take care and have a wonderful new year candidlynuts!
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The Golden Age Of A JWs Warfare Technology!
by Dogpatch ini wish to extend my appreciation to the united states marine corp., united states air force, united states army, united states navy.
and a picture of the "chummy" airplane can be seen here:.
to see a picture of the taylorcraft army tg-6 glider, go here and scroll 3/4 of the way down and look for the plane under an old picture with a high tower 51 pictures down: go here:.
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jws:
You write in your second paragraph, that you (assume). Yet the evidence shows the testimony of people who (were there). Eye witness testimony (to me) is much more reliable than (assumptions)!
The Taylorcraft Corporation has also published a book with the same information as listed in the post. Not to mention, that the information listed was (notorized) in front of (witnesses) who could (testify) as to the accuracy. Which again, is more reliable than (assumptions)!
We will be happy to wait for your reply from the Watchtower Society to (disprove) any of the above listed information. Please scan it to the forum when the Watchtower writes back with the information. OK?
Thanks!
