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Free Speech Trumps "Copyright" to Reveal Evil Sect!

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http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/19/1845256&from=rss .

posted by timothy on sunday march 20, @03:22am.

Voyager

Quotes:

Your very welcome Quotes! (ps) Will be sending you a package very soon!

Thanks!

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Free Speech Trumps "Copyright" to Reveal Evil Sect!

by Voyager in

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http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/19/1845256&from=rss .

posted by timothy on sunday march 20, @03:22am.

Hi Bas, good to hear from you again. Yes your right, there are some things to be proud of in the judicial system. Watchtower Headquarters certainly fight for their (free-speech), yet they want to deny others of theirs. Usual hypocrisy of the Borg!

Thanks Bas!

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Free Speech Trumps "Copyright" to Reveal Evil Sect!

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http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/19/1845256&from=rss .

posted by timothy on sunday march 20, @03:22am.

Voyager

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/19/1845256&from=rss

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Posted by timothy on Sunday March 20, @03:22AM
from the been-spainked dept.
bbc writes "ISP XS4All reports that the Dutch Attorney-General advises against reversal of the last verdict in the Scientology vs. Karin Spaink case (part of Scientology's War on the Internet). A series of court battles between writer Spaink and the Church of Scientology has changed the copyright landscape of the internet in the Netherlands. In an early case, linking to infringing documents was considered infringement itself. Later this was reversed, although by then several unrelated cases (notably Deutsche Bahn v. Indymedia) had been decided on the basis of this judgement. On appeals, the court held that free speech sometimes trumps copyright: even though Spaink may have infringed on the Church's copyright, she was allowed to do so to bring to light the doings of what she considers an evil sect. According to the XS4All document, not only did the Attorney-General uphold the decision that Free Speech can trump Copyright, but concluded also that there may not have been infringement. The Attorney-General feels a work can be considered published even if publication happened against the will of the author. In the Netherlands, the Supreme Court can only reverse previous decisions by lower courts. Before it renders a verdict, it asks the Attorney-General for advice."

Council of Ministers--and JWs--(Get Back On The Freeway)!

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http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050321&fname=column+kanak+%28f%29&sid=1 .

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http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050321&fname=Column+Kanak+%28F%29&sid=1

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Sandeep Adhwaryu

OPINION
Get Back On The Freeway
The king left Nepal's people no recourse. Budge the door to democracy open. Updates

KANAK MANI DIXIT

On February 1, King Gyanendra reached into a deep freeze that had not been opened since King Mahendra ousted an elected government in 1959 with his own royal military coup d'etat. While he has not imposed a ban on political parties as his father did, Gyanendra's arguments for takeover were essentially similar: the parties had messed up badly and it was up to a monarch dedicated to the people to save the nation.

In his half-hour televised address, Gyanendra repeated his allegiance to 'multi-party democracy' 11 times. Even as he talked, however, the leadership of the mainstream political parties were being rounded up and herded into detention, where they remain today.



	The Maoists dragged the army out of the barracks, the king's coup entrenched it in Nepal's affairs.

King Gyanendra lambasted the dozen years of what he asserted was democratic misrule, but was silent on the accelerated downturn in human security and the remarkable economic decline that has occurred since October 2002. This was a period when the royal palace ruled through

appointed prime ministers.

The king is now the self-appointed chairman of the Council of Ministers, a cabinet made up of what The Economist described aptly as "cronies, chancers and nobodies". To assist him, Gyanendra dusted off two venerable septuagenarians who were his father's choice for similar positions four decades ago. The senior among the two vice-chairmen is a Jehovah's Witness who has taken the name of one of the apostles. Like Peter, he had been abroad as an evangelical missionary in Sri Lanka and India for a quarter century until he received the call last month.
Just as the middle class of India was mollified because the trains ran on schedule for a time after June 1975, Kathmandu's urban classes are happy that the roads are free of rallies and protests. More than half of the security forces has been deployed to protect the Kathmandu valley, but the security in the hill and Terai districts where the vast majority live is at an all-time low. The Nepali people have been deprived of representation ever since Parliament was disbanded in 2002, now they are completely without recourse.

It was the Maoists who dragged the Royal Nepal Army out of the barracks, but the king's action has entrenched the military in Nepali affairs to the extent that political evolution is in jeopardy. A ceremonial army that was trying hard to professionalise even as it fought a brutal insurgency has been compromised by its being used as the tool for a coup d'etat. A new dynamic has been introduced into the matrix of national politics, which it could have done without.

It has become common wisdom to state that Gyanendra's actions, first to sideline the political parties and now to wield direct power as an absolute monarch, have their origins in the deep antipathy he harbours for the said parties and their many incapacities. But, after February 1, this has begun to look opportunistic: an excuse for direct rule.

Through his takeover, the king has put at great risk the 250-year-old institution of monarchy that makes Nepal the oldest nation-state in South Asia. On the day that he acted, wellwishers of the institution had hoped that the palace had an intricate plan of action for peace. Perhaps a secret deal with the Maobaadi, or the military finally going on the offensive. Five weeks later, these people continue to wait.

It's difficult to know the mind of a monarch. The king might perceive himself a lone hero out to champion the grieving populace, someone willing to swallow the bitter pill of mass criticism in order to bring order to the land. But the royal palace has been taken aback by the widespread international condemnation, and by the calls from New Delhi, London and Washington for an immediate return to multi-party democracy and constitutional monarchy.

Thus far, the royal government has responded to the international reaction with bluster and bravado, and there is no move towards restitution of civil liberties. For the political forces, it's still not appropriate to rely on international assistance for restoration of democracy, as anything brokered from the outside will not deliver the optimum. The push and energy must now come from within, and it is up to the people of Nepal to agitate for a return to full democracy.

Beyond the release of political detainees and restoration of all civil rights, return to democracy means the emplacement of an interim government selected by the political parties, whatever form it may take. This is the only mechanism that can lead the country in the direction of a satisfactory resolution of the Maoist problem as well as towards constitutional remedies to make the state more responsive and inclusive than what has prevailed since 1990. That was when the panchayat autocracy of 30 years was put to sleep, and whose ghost has been revived now in the minds of many.

For three years since the half-takeover of 2002, the call has been for the king to make common cause with the constitutional forces. Even after the royal takeover, the path to resolution remains unchanged. It may sound ironic at this late date and given the state of siege, but Nepal could still evolve as a fine laboratory for democratic innovations in South Asia. And King Gyanendra can still be part of this success, but for that he will have to roll back the action of February 1 in its totality. He must get over his distaste for the pluralistic political process, and make an approach to the political parties. If not, he may be presented with a fait accompli.

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Do You Believe A Person Has The Right To Die?

by minimus in

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or do you think that a person should continue to be made to "live" even though they are in a vegetative state?

Voyager

Samson was given the right to choose! Judges 16:30

"And Samson proceeded to say: "Let my soul die" with the Philistines."

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JW--Radio and TV Figure Dies at 82!

by Voyager in

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http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/apstories/stories/d88tdt500.html .

indiana native who became seattle radio, tv figure dies at 82 .

Voyager

Thanks for the extra information Blondie.

A lot of people were at the (height) of their careers just before 1975 and left their jobs, homes, and everthing else they had to persue the preaching work, because after all, Armageddon was just around the corner!--------Yeah right!

Thanks Blondie!

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JW--Radio and TV Figure Dies at 82!

by Voyager in

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http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/apstories/stories/d88tdt500.html .

indiana native who became seattle radio, tv figure dies at 82 .

Voyager

Blondie:

All of the threads I have been receiving today are related to the (entertainment) category. Here is another one about a (Theater Arts Premiere) that exposes JW sexual misconduct). It is at the bottom of this thread:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theaterarts/2002210751_dram18.html?syndication=rss

It will look like this listed below: I couldn't post all of it because I have already used my 2 posts. Maybe someone else can post the whole article.

The tiny but intrepid Theater Schmeater is staging the Seattle debut of "Hellhound on My Trail," the first (and the most traveled) of the Cassandra plays. It's been likened to the bleak-comic family mysteries of Sam Shepard, and the plot stuffs in drug deals, federal bureaucracy wrangles, Jehovah's Witness worship and sexual misconduct.

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JW--Radio and TV Figure Dies at 82!

by Voyager in

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http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/apstories/stories/d88tdt500.html .

indiana native who became seattle radio, tv figure dies at 82 .

Voyager

http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D88TDT500.html

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Indiana native who became Seattle radio, TV figure dies at 82

03/18/2005

Associated Press

Justus "Buddy" Webber, a leading Seattle radio personality and television show host in the 1960s and '70s, has died at 82.

Webber, known for goofy stunts and an uncanny ability to avoid verbal pitfalls at the last second, died March 11 of pulmonary fibrosis, relatives and longtime associates said.

A native of Bluffton, Ind., Webber spent four years in the Marine Corps, married Betty Heck in the late 1940s and started a big band which he led on trumpet with his wife singing by his side.

He began his radio career in Indianapolis, later worked in Omaha, Neb., and at KGO in San Francisco for four years before becoming the morning drive-time announcer on KVI in Seattle in 1959.

"He had a rare talent," former KVI program director Jack Macdonald said. "Buddy would start a line on the air and he'd get to a point where it would be disaster, and he would just stop there and leave it right in your head.

"When he was talking about the weather: 'Oh, boy, it's cold out today, it's as cold as the balls (pause) on a pool table.'"

Webber and fellow disc jockey Bob Hartwick made more than in 250 promotional appearances for KVI in one year, appearing before women's groups as "the Hardwick and Webber Social and Marital Adjustment Service."

To publicize the world's fair in Seattle in 1962, they raced each other around the world, going in opposite directions.

Webber later moved to KOMO Television as host of the morning "Buddy Webber Show" on a set resembling a small house with a stuffed moose head that made smart-aleck remarks. He also had an afternoon show on KOMO Radio.

Baptized as a Jehovah's Witness in 1963, he left broadcasting in the early 1970s to join the group's ministry in the Canary Islands.

Webber's wife Betty died in 1995. Survivors include his wife of eight years, Carol Jensen; daughter Jane Praetsch of Wrentham, Mass.; sons Dan Webber of Cadillac, Mich., Mike Webber of Westerly, R.I., and Tim Webber of Reno, Nev. and sister, Dorothy Wilkey, of Bluffton.

A memorial service is scheduled April 2 at the Northshore Senior Center.

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Email to Quotes (WT?) from a self-described PEDO!!!

by Quotes in

ok gang, i have received the following email.

originally sent march 15, then again on the march 16 and yet again on march 17 (with only the email subject line changed).. .

is this a joke?

Voyager

Hi Quotes:

You could take that information to your attorney and let him decide what to do with it. At least then, you will have taken it to an official of sorts, and if they thought it should be taken any further, then you will have done the right thing.

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(ps)--Quotes, please contact (TowerWatcher710) about a previous telephone transcript. He tried to contact you twice, but thought that the timing was bad at that particular time. But he tried his best! He just didn't want you to think that he had forgotten you!

Thanks!

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Greist Speaks Out at Hearing!

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14164496&brd=1671&pag=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6 .

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Voyager

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14164496&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6

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WEST CHESTER -- Richard L. Greist ended decades of silence Wednesday when the institutionalized killer took the witness stand during his annual recommitment hearing. The former East Coventry resident found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity lamented killing his wife and unborn son in 1978, quoted verses from the Bible and apologized to his two daughters.

But his daughters? own testimony overshadowed Greist?s -- recounting in explicit detail their father?s rampage that nearly killed them.

"My sister and I love him very much, and we forgive him," said Elizabeth Ann Butts, 32, Greist?s older daughter. But they asked the court not to release Greist, "not now or ever."

Angela Dykie, 31, the killer?s other daughter, agreed her father should remain committed to a mental hospital for the rest of his life.

Dykie described Greist?s "searing slaps" and the "screams of terror" as he beat and stabbed the members of his family.
"He had fiery orange and green swirling eyes," Dykie testified. "They were empty and the most evil thing I?ve ever seen."

Greist, now 53, stabbed his wife, Janice, to death and mutilated their 8-month-old unborn fetus -- which he said he has named Christopher -- in the family?s home on May 10, 1978.

He also attacked Butts, who was 6 at the time, Dykie, who was 5, and the girls? 71-year-old great-grandmother, Anna Gresko.
Two years later at trial, Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas A. Pitt Jr. ruled Greist not guilty by reason of insanity.

He was committed to Norristown State Hospital, where he remains today.

By law, Greist is entitled to a recommitment hearing every year. For years, Greist has attempted at these hearings to gain his release from the mental hospital.
Wednesday he tried again before Common Pleas Court Judge Edward Griffith. The judge will make a ruling at a later date.

Greist and his attorney, Marita M. Hutchinson, seek to have Greist moved from Norristown State Hospital to a less restrictive facility known as community residential rehabilitation.

"I wish from my very soul that I could take back the time in the 1970s," Greist said, "and have my wife Janice and my children back."

The killer claimed he is "well and I have been for a long time." He apologized for the "pain" he caused Butts and Dykie, and recalled the "sweet smell of their hair after shampooing it."

"I only have a few photos of my daughters," Greist said. "They are among my most precious possessions."

He also testified remorsefully about not being able to teach Christopher how to "sail my yacht, like I had taught the girls."

Dr. Sudhir Stokes, the psychiatrist in charge of Greist?s treatment at Norristown, has treated Greist for three years and supported the patient?s appeal for more freedom.

"All people, including Mr. Greist, have to be given the chance to move to the next level," Stokes said.

Greist?s privileges at the hospital have progressed to the point where he is now allowed to roam freely on the hospital?s 40-acre compound.

Since the slayings, Greist has become a Jehovah?s Witness. He is allowed to leave the hospital for three hours every week to attend services in West Norristown.

The man also is granted one 12-hour leave every three months, which he has used to go shopping at the King of Prussia Mall, and he often travels alone using public transportation to visit physicians located off the hospital property.

Greist holds a job at the hospital as manager of the facility?s cafeteria, and on Nov. 29, he married his third wife, Frances Greist, a New Zealand woman he met on the Internet through a Jehovah?s Witness Web site.

Assistant District Attorney Peter Hobart argued against any change to Greist?s commitment status.

Hobart called upon Dr. Barbara E. Ziv, a forensic psychiatrist, and psychologist Steven E. Samuel, to testify the man still posed a risk to the community.

"Richard Greist has talked in very concerning ways about all the women in his life," Ziv said. She concluded he has demonstrated a "high degree of misogyny and anti-female resentment."

Samuel examined Greist twice during January.

"He has not developed any insight into the basis of what happened in 1978," Samuel said. "I think he is bothered by intense emotional feelings, he is frightened by them in a way. He consciously covers over his problems to minimize his weaknesses."