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Mission To Africa:
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Watchtower continues relationship with United Nations in some way
by Dogpatch into find that the watchtower continued (another) type of u.n. relationship even (after) they disassociated from the (ngo dpi) sections, these are the instructions i was given: 1. go to the home page of (who) world health organization 2. type in these numbers into the search engine at the top: (10184) and click go 3. when the next page comes up, you will receive one pdf listing of information.
click on it.
4. when the pdf file comes up, go to page 3 and you will find that the watch tower of jehovah's witnesses is listed as a (new idp site) and (participant center).
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UN/Watchtower/Who/
by Voyager inaccording to my little cousin who was (never) one of jehovah's witnesses, i have been doing my (research) wrong.
he told me that if i wanted to find out information about the watchtower and the united nations, then i would need to start typing in (numbers) instead of letters and words into my search engines.
here is what he told me!-----see below:.
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The_Classicist:
I had sent the post to Randy for him to post, then I thought that he was to busy so I went ahead and posted it, then come to find out that (both) of us had posted it.
Thanks!
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UN/Watchtower/Who/
by Voyager inaccording to my little cousin who was (never) one of jehovah's witnesses, i have been doing my (research) wrong.
he told me that if i wanted to find out information about the watchtower and the united nations, then i would need to start typing in (numbers) instead of letters and words into my search engines.
here is what he told me!-----see below:.
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Tijkmo:
You really need to read Mission To Africa published by the Watchtower Society (before) you start thinking that there are (no) relationships With the U.N. and the Watchtower!
Here is a quote from their own literature:
Our activity was often hindered by difficulties particular to the region. Distances are vast and lines of communication almost nonexistent. The best form of travel, if not the only one, is the airplane. Often we used the H.C.R.'s (United Nations High Commission for Refugees) planes.
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Watchtower continues relationship with United Nations in some way
by Dogpatch into find that the watchtower continued (another) type of u.n. relationship even (after) they disassociated from the (ngo dpi) sections, these are the instructions i was given: 1. go to the home page of (who) world health organization 2. type in these numbers into the search engine at the top: (10184) and click go 3. when the next page comes up, you will receive one pdf listing of information.
click on it.
4. when the pdf file comes up, go to page 3 and you will find that the watch tower of jehovah's witnesses is listed as a (new idp site) and (participant center).
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Voyager
Tijkmo
Jahna
Displaced Persons or Refugees, so don't think that there are (no) relationships until you have read (Mission To Africa) written by the Watchtower Society, where they (admit) their U.N. relationships!-----------See highlighted portion below:
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MISSION TO AFRICA
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This pamphlet is printed and distributet by the Watchtower. The pamphlet says: "Imprimé en France par l'association "Les Témoins de Jéhovah", Louviers (Eure) N d'imprimeur: 574 - Dépôt légal: juin 1997. The interesting thing is: This is totally unknown by the Jehovah's Witnesses in the rest of the world!
Television news cameras have brought into
our living rooms pictures of the terrible aftermath of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda. The looks of hopelessness and despair on the faces of refugees have haunted us. In the pages of our newspapers, we read of the desperate pleas for help. Uvira, Bukavu, Kisangani, Kivu. These names had become synonymous with fear and death. Many may have felt helpless, believing that no individual efforts could alleviate such massive suffering. However, others believed differently. And their efforts are continuing to reap many benefits.
In the summer of 1994, Claude Hamel, a company owner from France in his fifties, and president of Aidafrique, a French humanitarian association, led a team of volunteers to set up well-organized camps and field hospitals for the Rwandan refugees in Zaire.*zoom +
By the end of their trip, more than 7,000 persons-three times the number of Jehovah's Witnesses in Rwanda-benefited from the help of the relief. However, Zaire itself soon became a land of peril. So, from April 28 to May 12, 1997, Claude brought a relief team together once again. He and his wife, Joseline, Louis de Wit of Belgium, Pierre Baudry of France, and Dr. Anton Camprubi of Switzerland left their countries to help alleviate the suffering of the Zairian people.
The team, all of whom are Jehovah's Witnesses, wanted to supply humanitarian aid. With the help of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in Belgium, France, and Switzerland they supplied the refugees with
a total of 500 kg of medicine, 10 tons of vitamin products, 20 tons of food, more than 90 tons of clothing, 18,500 pairs of shoes, and
* The country's name has been changed to Democratic Republic of Congo. Since the team of volunteers entered the country prior to the change, references to the country will reflect the former name.
1,000 blankets. The cost of the supplies totaled 4.5 million French francs or nearly $1 million (U.S.). We invite you to join the relief team by reading the following personal accounts of their work.zoom +
We arrived in Goma, which was the center of our activities in 1994. Claude and Joseline, "African veterans," and the backbone of the humanitarian action, explored the city and the surrounding areas of Rutshuru, Masisi, Uvira, Kalemie, Moba, Kabalo. In addition, Claude sent out messengers to obtain reports from Butembo and Bunia. We also received information from Kisangani, situated about 1,000 km [620 miles] from Goma. In Goma, we were taken aback by an impression of calm. Rubble, deformed and broken roads, testified however to the recent war.
In Goma, 95% of the inhabitants are unemployed. The few humanitarian organizations employ some Zairians as drivers or porters. In the hotels, some work without being paid in the hope of keeping their job when the money comes back. The people lack everything: clothing, shoes, medicine and especially food. Hunger follows the war, with ruined crops, food reserves looted, and the very high prices for the food still available.
In Kisangani, at the beginning of May, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of potatoes cost about three dollars. Poor people cannot buy them. At best, the people eat one meal per day in the evening. All day long, children and adults drink just one or two cups of tea. The daily anxiety is to obtain some meager pittance. The area of Kisangani, scene of more dramatic events recently, appeared more unstable and dangerous. One clear sign of hope was the resumption of crop sowing in Bunia and Butembo.zoom +
The Scars of Warfare-Everywhere
The scars of the war-rape and the loss of human life-are greatly felt by the Zairians. Some were caught up in battles with which they had nothing to do. Others were killed by stray bullets. Others died because they belonged to a particular tribe, or were mistaken for opponents of one or the other camps. In the Kivu region, the Bembés and the Hutus are still in hiding. To get away from the combat zone, whole groups traveled almost 1,200 km [750 miles] by foot in the jungle.
Many children have lost their parents and some have even seen them die. For example, in one family, the father died of cholera and
the mother disappeared when the boat she was in was attacked and sank. Now, these five orphans are looked after by their grandparents or by the already destitute community. What hopelessness!zoom +
We recognized the destruction that armies have always caused. In the Moba region, the village of Kasenge, where 150 Jehovah's Witnesses lived, was completely destroyed. In Beni, Rutshuru and KanyaBayonga, dozens of houses and Kingdom Halls (the name of the religious meeting places of Jehovah's Witnesses) were burnt. Deprived of their homes, their possessions and all means of existence, these people fled to join the urban masses, already reduced to extreme poverty.
Famine follows war. Disease follows famine. Malnutrition wreaks havoc particularly in children. Poor nutrition causes serious gastric problems or dysentery. Health conditions vary from area to area. Malaria is rampant. In Kalemie, cholera is widespread. Already endemic in Zaire, it experiences an upsurge following war.
This is the assessment that we were able to make with the help of the relief committees established by Jehovah's Witnesses on a local level at the start of hostilities. Having assessed the needs, we were able to adapt our help to the actual conditions and act in a number of ways.
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Immediately, we took emergency -action. We brought money and medicine, and purchased food, though in limited quantity. More than thirteen tons of help (medicine, blankets, vitamin products) were sent to Kigali, Rwanda, from Belgium and now wait to cross the border to be distributed. We organized the distribution of what we had. In Goma, this took place at the Kingdom Hall. Just as in the past, care was given to cholera victims. People received rice, beans and oil according to the size of their family.
Waiting was sometimes long. More often than not, it was the women who waited, sitting on the black pumice floor in their brightly-colored garments. They protected themselves from the intense sun under red, yellow or blue umbrellas. Sometimes, with their beautiful voices they would sing hymns. They spoke to Joseline, about their problems-of the too-frequent pregnancies that they do not know how to prevent. The distribution of food completed, we watched emotionally as the last woman left-beautiful, upright, her child wrapped in her garment on her back. She departed with a large packet of rice in the shape of a pumpkin on her head, a yellow tin containing three liters
of oil in one hand, a blue bucket filled with a few precious goods in the other.zoom +
Anton, a young Swiss doctor, and Pierre, a graying French nurse, give essential medical help. Anton examines the sick either in private homes, such as the hotel waiter's home, or more often in the Kingdom Hall. Over a period of five days, he gave 400 consultations. For this also, the wait was long. The many children show what for us Europeans is remarkable patience. We have the needed medicine to treat common infections and money donated by the assemblies of Jehovah's Witnesses from Belgium, France and Switzerland to have more thorough care carried out. One example highlights the terrible consequences of our friends' destitute state. One man broke his leg. Nobody had the money for him to be treated so he went without treatment. When we were finally able to give the necessary money, the leg was infected and had to be amputated.
Our activity was often hindered by difficulties particular to the region. Distances are vast and lines of communication almost nonexistent. The best form of travel, if not the only one, is the airplane. Often we used the H.C.R.'s (United Nations High Commission for Refugees) planes. Administrative formalities also held us up. Just getting a
pass to go from one town to the next was quite a business. It was only granted for a limited period. The dispatching of our cargo suffered delays which the urgency of the situation made painful. However, we did not come up against an uncooperative spirit in our area. Once we convinced the authorities of the purely voluntary nature of our mission, they were quite cooperative. Claude met a senior official for the region's security. Interested in our activity he facilitated our work.zoom +
Planning for the Future
On May 12, we all met up in Kigali for a meeting of African (Rwandan and Zairian) relief committee members and the European (Belgium, French and Swiss) representatives. Together they assessed what had been done. They also drew useful conclusions from the inquiry conducted at the grass-roots level. Medicine needs to be imported. Apart from exceptional circumstances, there is a need to supply the population with food that they normally eat. The Butembo region produces rice and beans, and it is easier to get the necessary money to buy and deliver them, than to transport food from Europe. Medicine and clothing should be distributed to local institutions (orphanages or non-governmental organizations). -
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by Voyager inaccording to my little cousin who was (never) one of jehovah's witnesses, i have been doing my (research) wrong.
he told me that if i wanted to find out information about the watchtower and the united nations, then i would need to start typing in (numbers) instead of letters and words into my search engines.
here is what he told me!-----see below:.
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Voyager
According to my little cousin who was (never) one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I have been doing my (research) wrong. He told me that if I wanted to find out information about the Watchtower and the United Nations, then I would need to start typing in (numbers) instead of letters and words into my search engines. Here is what he told me!-----See below:
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To find that the Watchtower continued (another) type of U.N. relationship even (after) they disassociated from the (NGO DPI) sections, these are the instructions I was given: 1. Go to the home page of (WHO) World Health Organization 2. Type in these numbers into the search engine at the top: (10184) and click GO 3. When the next page comes up, you will receive one pdf listing of information. Click on it. 4. When the pdf file comes up, go to page 3 and you will find that the Watch Tower of Jehovah's Witnesses is listed as a (New IDP Site) and (Participant Center). This was dated 2003, which was (after) they had disassociated themselves from the (other) U.N. sections of (NGO DPI)! The WHO home page is here: Then just follow the instructions I was given. http://www.who.int/en/ http://www.who.int/en/ My little cousin who was never a JW works at Patrick Air Force Base, and every so often he has access to a computer the size of a Mac Truck! And to think that I used to bounce that little brat on my knee!
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What Happened to the Body?
by hmike ini'm fairly new here, so please excuse me if this has been discussed before.
it seemed like an appropriate time to bring this up.. suppose we accept that there really was a man jesus, rabbi, teacher, etc., but just a mortal man.
so if he didn't resurrect, what happened to the body, and how was the "myth" of the resurrection perpetuated, especially in light of the numerous "witnesses" (some of whom were still alive when the accounts were written, if we can believe that part of the accounts) and the effect this had on their lives?
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Watchtower/1953/Sept/1st/page-518/states, quote:
JESUS?
FLESHLY BODY DISSOLVEDWhat happened to the perfect fleshly body of Jesus after his death? Was it preserved so that in time men will look upon it in worship? or does Jesus still have this fleshly body in the heavens, "spiritualized" so that it can be seen and worshiped? Neither. The Scriptures answer: It was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms.
Jesus was the antitype foreshadowed by Moses, the great mediator and leader of the congregation of Israel. God himself disposed of Moses? body by burial, and "no man knoweth of his sepulchre". (Deut. 34:5, 6) Later, one of the Christian writers says that Michael had a dispute with the Devil over the body of Moses. (Jude 9) The Devil desired to get the body of Moses the great leader and to use it as an object of worship to draw the Israelites away from their true invisible Commander and Leader, Jehovah God. With stronger desire the Devil wanted to obtain the fleshly body of Jesus after his death to induce some to worship it and use it for indecent false religious purposes, thus reproaching Jehovah God. But Jehovah thwarted the Devil?s purpose in both cases by disposing of the bodies of these two faithful men.
Moses? body returned to the dust by process of decay, as all human bodies do, but not so in Jesus? case, for it is written: "For thou wilt not leave my soul to Sheol; neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption." (Ps. 16:10, AS; Acts 2:31) So God caused Jesus? body to disappear, but not corrupt, meaning that it was dissolved, disintegrated back into the elements from which all human bodies are made.?John 20:1-13.
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A Memorial Farce
by Kenneson inthe following blurp occurs in the elizabethtown, kentucky news:.
"for one local group of christians, it's the only time they partake of a bread and wine ceremony.
the elizabethtown jehovah's witnesses won't actually eat and drink what they call the emblems, said secretary oliver edwards.
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Kenneson:
Loved it! Got a good laugh over that one.
Good show Ken!
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Community "Easter" Listing Includes JW Memorial!
by Voyager inhttp://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .
http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .
some people felt that if the congregation in jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "easter" listings of christendom!.
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Voyager
The threads work, but the words in the article disappeared after I clicked the submit button.
Oh well! I guess some articles are just that way!
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Community "Easter" Listing Includes JW Memorial!
by Voyager inhttp://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .
http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm .
some people felt that if the congregation in jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "easter" listings of christendom!.
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http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm
http://www.jaxnews.com/news/2005/jn-localnews-0324-0-5c24p0255.htm
Some people felt that if the congregation in Jacksonville was going to have their memorial advertised in the newspaper, that they would have requested to have it listed on a different page than the "Easter" listings of Christendom!
But then again, they used to not want the Kingdom Hall listed under (Churches), in the yellow pages. But now, nothing seems to be said about it. Progressively JWs are conforming to the ways of the world that they condemn ,and in many ways, they have become (worse) than the world!
It is really no big deal, but sometimes I wonder if we would find some of the listings that we do if today was 1960 instead of 2005!
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Tornado Damages Kingdom Hall!
by Voyager inhttp://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .
http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=3122561&nav=5kzpxsjz .
flyover reveals tornado devastation.
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ohiocowboy:
Either that, or they will have to double up with another congregation. I guess it all depends on how bad the damage was. So where is all of that (angelic) protection awyway?
Thanks ohiocowboy!