My argument is based on the Idea that these celebrations displease God. If there's no belief in God and his scripture, then who cares if you do or don't celebrate it, right? How can you argue for or against pagan celebrations if you don't hold to a belief in God and his scripture? Europe can do or say whatever he wants and be only accountable to Europe. Not so with a christian. He is accountable to God and so his day to day living must be in accordance to his will. If not, then your only accountable to yourself which is fine but that's where the line in our discussion is drawn. All I hear you saying is "If you want to celebrate it, then fine, have fun! who I am I to tell them not to have fun" If your not a believer then why even argue? Your opinion is not based from a belief in a god that holds you accountable for your faith. It's sounds more to me like a "do what you wanna do" dogma. Unlike JW's who go door to door, I don't impose my views on anyone. But I will make my opinion known if asked.