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  These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

  by Crazyguy in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

  to funny nice job....

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  From an outside perspective of someone who's never been a JW, I have a hard time understanding how voicing what ever it is you want to voice in a destructive mind control cult ritual, would be considered rude or disrespectful.

  That being said, the way they chose to go about it is in a sense making a mockery of not only themselves, but the seriousness of the harm the cult causes. The end result does give the WT the upper hand.

  There was a man who went inside Kingdom Halls protesting against pedophilia. The way he did it was powerful and had the ability to make an impact in my opinion. It certainly left me in tears after watching those clips. I agree with posters who say they should have chosen a more powerful stance versus teenage antics.
  
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  Who's behind the WT / JW.org?

  by elkatire1980 in

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  2. beliefs

  i have always thought that the members of the governing body are just a decorative elements in the visible cusp of the organization.

  i have read conspiratorial topics about who really rule, but they are not visible.

  the shareholders of the corporation?

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  I strongly believe it goes much deeper than the appearance of it all; that it is led by the super-elitist. That all cults, especially the major ones such as Scientology, Mormon, and Moonies are rooted back to the super-elite.

  As far as Ray Franz not mentioning anything in his book - he also didn't mention sexual abuse, so I don't feel he was sharing the whole picture. What if one of the reasons he left was finding out it was led by a certain group of people, yet he didn't have the evidence needed to include it in his books, or he feared mentioning them directly?

  I wouldn't put this "idea" past them as many of you were once in a place where you felt it was "the truth".
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  Which should be shared with an active JW sexual abuse survivor?

  by Illuminated in

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  2. scandals

  this is involving a loved one who's a survivor of child sexual abuse who's life has been ripped apart by the wts.. i'll reword "survivor" to victim as he has gone in and out several times and is in currently.

  the offender is still a good standing jw yet in a different congregation.he was disfellowshipped in his teens by the way, so it's harmed him even more psychologically.

  which will have more of an impact in helping him realize the issue is coming from the top where they are intentionally hiding it?.

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  The amount of new information that's coming out on a weekly basis it seems is quiet overwhelming. The most disturbing part of it is WT talking from two sides of their mouth. That in itself proves to me they know absolutely what they are doing, and it's clearly self serving versus actually caring about the average rank and file. Like a two faced villain you'd see in a movie.

  Thank you for your comments.. At this point what's most important is his awareness/Knowledge of what's truly happening. That these villains are not on his side. Then it's up to him what he does with it. From my end, the key is getting him to watch at least one of the videos. I will send the letter as well.
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  Which should be shared with an active JW sexual abuse survivor?

  by Illuminated in

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  2. scandals

  this is involving a loved one who's a survivor of child sexual abuse who's life has been ripped apart by the wts.. i'll reword "survivor" to victim as he has gone in and out several times and is in currently.

  the offender is still a good standing jw yet in a different congregation.he was disfellowshipped in his teens by the way, so it's harmed him even more psychologically.

  which will have more of an impact in helping him realize the issue is coming from the top where they are intentionally hiding it?.

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  Hello everyone,

  This is involving a loved one who's a survivor of child sexual abuse who's life has been ripped apart by the WTS.

  I'll reword "survivor" to victim as he has gone in and out several times and is in currently. The offender is still a good standing JW yet in a different congregation.He was disfellowshipped in his teens by the way, so it's harmed him even more psychologically.

  Which will have more of an impact in helping him realize the issue is coming from the top where they are intentionally hiding it?

  Recent dateline video: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/jehovahs-witness-takes-church-sex-abuse-allegations-29605945

  PBS video/using the first Amendment to justify their policy: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/leaders-jehovahs-witnesses-cover-child-sex-abuse/

  This article about the victim being kicked out yet the pedophile remaining in: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  This video about JW's laughing and not taking sexual abuse seriously: http://jwvictims.org/2013/11/23/jehovahs-witnesses-caught-laughing-at-child-rape-accusers/

  I've had a few helpful suggestions via pm's so far and would like to hear more thoughts.

  Thank you.
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  Mind control.

  by New day in

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  2. beliefs

  in a recent thread someone mentioned that the wtbts uses mind control techniques.

  do you think this is a conscious ploy?

  if it is it would mean that the leaders of my religion (i am still an active jw) set out consciously to control people.

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  Research Cult Mind Control. Research Scientology, Mormons, and other mind control cults. Same tactics.

  From an outsiders perspective looking in, they know exactly what they are doing. It's one thing to be a cult leader of a small group and to genuinely believe what you're spreading. It's a whole different ball game to be mind control cult leaders of a large group of people. You have to know what you're doing, to carry it forward for so long and with the amount of people under your control. With power and money, calculative strategy comes into play.

  I wouldn't be surprised if there are a group of people behind these mind control cults or mind control cults in general, who got the ball rolling and then split it into different cults. The root, being traced back to these people.

  Watch this excellent video:

  https://youtu.be/GmeSmlHyDRU
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  Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.

  she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.

  apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.

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  I would buy a hard copy and place it around the house. It'll be more tempting to read it versus an email which you can easily close and ignore.

  You can always read it together. One chapter at a time, then give her time to digest the information until she's ready to read the next.
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  What is dating as a JW like

  by UFCFan in

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  first off i want to say that i'm a teenager which makes my situation interesting.

  i don't want to give too many details in case someone i know reads this but i'm between 14 and 18, homeschooled, and i've been awake for around one or one and a half years.

  i already have a plan to attend usc or wisconsin university if i'm smart enough to get in and then move to san jose and try and get a job working for a hs football team or with a soccer team, since i want to coach sports or be an agent.. now, this all sounds great in theory but there's one thing i've been thinking about that makes me doubt my plan.

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  Its common to think that a girl who you've known for a long time is the one but you really don't know until you start into serious relationship, the WTS tries to interfer a lot into that investigation.

  I've always wondered how you can possibly truly know someone while you're in there as there are so many restrictions on what you can/can't do and people hanging over your heads. To explore the depths of a person requires a one of one relationship.
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  What is dating as a JW like

  by UFCFan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first off i want to say that i'm a teenager which makes my situation interesting.

  i don't want to give too many details in case someone i know reads this but i'm between 14 and 18, homeschooled, and i've been awake for around one or one and a half years.

  i already have a plan to attend usc or wisconsin university if i'm smart enough to get in and then move to san jose and try and get a job working for a hs football team or with a soccer team, since i want to coach sports or be an agent.. now, this all sounds great in theory but there's one thing i've been thinking about that makes me doubt my plan.

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  You're fully aware of the situation from the get-go. If you haven't seriously been involved yet, it is not worth it to get involved and wear your heart on your sleeve only to mostly likely be led into a torture filled situation.

  Your'e not in yet, get involved with someone who fully accepts and adores you, as you.

  If you're going to test the murky waters anyway, take your time and strictly be her friend as you plants seeds and see where she lands.
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  You will never grow old in this current system of things... - Awake, May 22, 1969 p. 15

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  check this out.

  got this bound volume from my dad.. .

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  Splash, are those talks regarding 1975 being the end date?
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  You will never grow old in this current system of things... - Awake, May 22, 1969 p. 15

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  check this out.

  got this bound volume from my dad.. .

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  cappytan, lol that video with the Disney trolley song combined with the magazine is hilarious.

  If they justify it by old light, why even use the excuse it was speculation among rank and file JW's?

  Why does it matter if it's "old light" if they've made a false prophecy? The point isn't whether something is old or new, it goes against their very own Bible beliefs of not following anyone who predicts the future in their God's name.