several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.
fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.
a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.
My loved one, a male victim of WTS child sexual abuse relayed this information to me. The 3 elders questioning him with details of the abuse while the pedophile sat next to him was not only further traumatizing, but almost as bad as the abuse in itself. Add yet another few layers of trauma with the two witness policy after the interrogation and letting the abuser go while telling the victim they'd be in trouble for "slander" if they warn other people about it.
It's horrifically surreal.
it's getting to the point where cnn should start announcing "breaking news" if there *hasn't* been a mass shooting !.
it's crazy.. i was watching the 70's documentary they are running and that's the point when media hype about mass serial killers seemed to begin the danger-gun-solution hype cycle.
sure, people had guns before then but nowhere near like it is now.. when will it end?
done4good
It's not a matter of understanding numbers or theory. It's common sense.
A weapon can be found and used in many ways. It's the individual's state of mind behind the weapon.
If a psychopath is that deranged and has intentions of murder, you can guarantee they'll do what ever it takes.
Take the guns away, and we'll see other forms of mass murder. They'll just get more creative if the intent is there.
The root cause needs to be addressed, not the tool that is used.
it's getting to the point where cnn should start announcing "breaking news" if there *hasn't* been a mass shooting !.
it's crazy.. i was watching the 70's documentary they are running and that's the point when media hype about mass serial killers seemed to begin the danger-gun-solution hype cycle.
sure, people had guns before then but nowhere near like it is now.. when will it end?
Guns, are not the problem. The amount of non violent gun owners far outweigh these acts carried out by these people. Take the guns away, and a psychopath will find another weapon whether it's knives, cars, bombs, etc, etc.
I also find it interesting that many of these people who carry out mass shootings are hooked up on some form of antidepressants or other forms of psychotic medication which have side effects of violence.
Another thought comes to mind, how is it any different or okay for our government to use weapons to murder innocent people/children in other countries, yet on the other hand go on a gun control mission of taking guns away from citizens in our own country due to a few psychopaths who play out the same crimes as our government?
there's a book i wanted to share called "exiting the jw cult: a healing handbook: for current & former .
jehovah's witnesses".
i am not associated to the author in any way.
There's a book I wanted to share called "Exiting the JW Cult: A Healing Handbook: For Current & Former
Jehovah's Witnesses". I am not associated to the author in any way. It's written by a professional psychotherapist
who use to be a JW and may benefit you all.
i celebrated my birthday for the first time today at 40 years old.
my wife was great.
she and some of my coworkers surprised me at lunch.
for those who don't know, terrence howard is an actor who has had some exposure to "the truth" and has spoken positively about the jw religion in a past interview saying he would become a jw if he could.. i've started watching wayward pines where terrence howard stars as the town sheriff.
there are some striking cult parallels between the show and some facets of jw cult culture.
~ people who try to leave wayward pines are subject to punishment.
puts a smile on your face!
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http://web.de/magazine/panorama/polizei-enten-rettet-30752528.
for those who don't know, terrence howard is an actor who has had some exposure to "the truth" and has spoken positively about the jw religion in a past interview saying he would become a jw if he could.. i've started watching wayward pines where terrence howard stars as the town sheriff.
there are some striking cult parallels between the show and some facets of jw cult culture.
~ people who try to leave wayward pines are subject to punishment.
this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.
link to video.
i'm writing a transcript right now.
The WTS clearly does enough research to educate themselves on many topics, yet they like to cherry pick the advice they give to it's rank and file members as long as it benefits the higher ups. For instance, anyone with half a brain and especially additional research scratching the surface is aware a perpetrator isn't going to run off in fear once the victim yells "Stop" let alone a small child saying "Stop I'm going to tell on you". With a response like that, many times a perpetrator will threaten to harm the child's family if the child tells and continues the abuse regardless. Side note: why wasn't the fictitious monster a JW in a suit carrying WT magazines?!
Another observation that was made is that the response of the child is the same way a woman should respond according to the WT, otherwise she is at fault if she doesn't scream--here's the publication: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/rape-fornication.php. Are they going to question whether or not the child screamed or ran to get away and if not, they sinned? I can picture an abuse survivor still trapped in the cult feeling a sense of guilt and further shame after watching that segment thinking it was their fault when in fact, many if not most victims literally shut down on a physical level when or as the abuse occurs since it's so traumatizing for their psyche to take. The higher ups of the WTS are aware of this, yet advice they dish out to benefit and cover themselves legally instead is disgusting.
As for the meeting that takes place with elders, the pedophile and the victim all together in the same room while the victim is forced to go into details of the abuse then forced to keep quiet and not warn other parents as it would be "slander" due to the pedophile denying it and an obvious lack of two witnesses, it is reported by many abuse survivors that the lack of believing them with what occurred was more damaging then the abuse itself. Take the WTS and it's awful practices, and push the button to a hundred on this issue. They rinse wash and repeat the victimization.
this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.
link to video.
i'm writing a transcript right now.
