Hey LT, who's offended? I thought it all went well!
Besides, I've only come back here so that I can notch up 600 postings
See you at the Fest!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hey LT, who's offended? I thought it all went well!
Besides, I've only come back here so that I can notch up 600 postings
See you at the Fest!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
BTW - where is the fest this month?
Manchester, England - MY CITY!!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Why not just ask you here and have it all as part of the discussion?
Tried that!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hey Sirona,
Dansk / Sirona as though we're one entity.
This isn't a Trinity coming on here, is it?
CU at the Fest, where we can jump LT!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Andi,
Let me reiterate
Andi, I admire your honesty.
You said "I don't know". That's good enough for me.
LT
Sometimes we are just wise enough to hold our tongues, instead of getting painted into corners.
Here's the problem, you see, you mention "we", but I don't get the same "vibes" from Andi as I do from you. She admits she doesn't know, but you come across as "knowing!"
Too often I've seen people make statements, on this board, then have those opinions waved in their face at a later date due to a change (or growth) in opinion.
You mean you can change? YO!
We're human, with the ability to reason as more data is fed in, hence we're allowed to have shifting or unsolidified viewpoints IMHO.
Well, IMHO, I think you've skirted away from answering - BUT
If you want REALLY straight answers, wait until later this month, at the Fest.
Be prepared to be AMBUSHED! But where's the Fest being held?
OK, Toe, you're welcome at my house any time and I believe you already know that! You've got my personal addy so message me if you like.
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Andi,
I don't have a problem with YOUR answer! I'm waiting for LT's.
Dansk
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how does bob marley like his doughnuts?.
.. .. "wi jammin"
A woman goes to her doctor and says:
"I am the Managing Director of a large multinational corporation. I've always been very career-minded and I'm pleased with how my life's gone. Every day I have numerous underlings in my office for meetings and I know they treat me with the utmost respect. Unfortunately, I've been suffering from severe flatulence of late. It comes on in every meeting but, happily, no-one notices because when I break wind it is always silent and never smells. Is there something you can give me to cure this complaint?"
The doctor, who is sitting opposite the woman behind his desk, has been listening intently and now looks down at his prescription pad and starts to write away. He then tears off his prescription from the pad and hands it to the executive woman.
The woman looks at the prescription and with great incredulity says loudly " A NASAL SPRAY?"
"Yes", said the doctor so matter of factly. "Come back next week and I'll syringe your ears!"
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
You did not address the points I made in my post. I also said:I'd be interested to know if you really believe that a pagan can make a connection to God.If you'd rather not respond to that question, just say so, rather than ignoring me.
See what I mean, LT. There is an undoubted feeling from a few of us on this thread that we can never get a straight answer from a BA. I feel Sirona deserves an answer.
Also, I'd like to commend MegaDude's post. Yes, the doctrine of Hellfire can lead many straight into the arms of JWs because it is a heinous teaching!
Dansk
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hello LT
Saved from the proposition of dying and our bodies merely becoming manure, and should we have an eternal spirit, a spirit that continues unconnected to
"God"
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Now you wrote that in reply to Spanner. So, this loving merciful God would have us be manure if we don't accept Christ! What a loving religion, and all par for the course!!
You may find that most of the "born agains" that you are preaching to, on this site, are more than well aware of what you're alluding to. For the most part they are probably more at peace with their beliefs, and those of others, than their detrators.
Oh, so now I’M preaching! If BAs are at peace with their beliefs, fine – for the umpteenth time – but I just hope that those who believe in Hellfire don’t preach it to others who may be weak and susceptible.
You are also making assumptions, again, as to what "born again" believers believe regarding the bible. Did you look up Shelby's opinion (AGuest), as I mentioned, earlier in the thread?
Toe, it is very difficult NOT to make assumptions on the basis of the website I mentioned earlier and some of the posted comments. From what I've seen so far BAs can differ in what they believe or they veil what they believe or they skirt around the questions. I haven't read Shelby's opinion because I would like YOUR opinion on this thread - that is if you don't mind! So, what is YOUR view about the Bible? Do YOU believe that if we don't accept Jesus as Saviour we will go to Hell (as in hell with a fire) or end up as manure? Please, do this for me here. You may have mentioned it somewhere in this thread, or even elsewhere, but if you will please just answer me these two questions here.
You also seem very judgemental of those you are calling "planks". At the end of the day, supposing they are right? There are hellfire scenarios in other religions besides Christianity.
As John Milton wrote:
"The mind is its own place, and of itself
Can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven".
No, I'm not judging anyone. Those days are well and truly behind me! If these people are right, they are right and there'd be nothing I could do about it because I'd be in Hell. However, no-one can say they KNOW because they haven't been there. One could equally say "What if the JWs are right?" Fortunately, I have discovered FOR MYSELF that they aren't!
Milton's comments, sure I can handle that! But the mind is complex and works on mental stimulation, for good or for bad. Some of the greatest human iindividuals in history have not been Christian; they never accepted Jesus as their Saviour. Some never even got to know about the BIble. I wonder how their minds perceived things. Is a Tibetan Buddhist Hell the same as a Christian Hell (assuming a Christian believes in such a place)?
I await your answers to my questions.
Thanks,
Dansk
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how does bob marley like his doughnuts?.
.. .. "wi jammin"
Hey Jst2,
Don't give up your day job!
Dansk