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  Has there, or are there any normal pro-WT members on this forum? As in mentally stable, anybody?

  by miseryloveselders in

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  first off, forgive me if i'm guilty of being judgemental.

  i got my own fair share of mental problems.

  it goes without saying that a bunch of us on this forum are misfits and freaks.

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  shadow

  I've read this forum fairly regularly for 8 or 9 years. Got into a few long discussions but don't anymore since I don't see much point in it. Still a JW (inactive now though). Posted here while an elder and still haven't gone over to the dark side. Not completely anyway . . . .
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  Need help fact checking public talk at the DC

  by just n from bethel in

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  i have taken the time to transcribe part of the public talk given at the dc.

  it was interesting because it basically said the witnesses used the bible to fortell the fall of the axis powers in wwii.

  now when i first heard the speaker say it - my ears perked up.

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  Might be more related to return of League in the form of the UN, which would not happen if Axis won? UN actually started during war if I recall correctly.
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  Recent Example of Molestation Policy

  by xelder in

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  in the 80's a very righteous elder in our congregation was caught molesting his 2 stepdaughters.

  he was df'd.

  within 5 years he was 60 miles down the road serving as an elder in another congregation.

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  For the sake of accuracy . . .

  17 year old sentenced to 10 years for sex with 15 year old

  http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/26/wilson.freed/index.html
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  Hospital Liasion Card

  by Sighco in

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  i was just digging through my computer desk drawer and i found a hospital liaison committee card.

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  i don't understand how anyone could live with themselves after helping a child refuse a blood transfusion .

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  What are the other 10 questions?
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  I need your help please...Where is it where the Society is referencing...

  by Lady Liberty in

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  2. bible

  does anyone know where is it where the society is referencing how if you were to find your religon wasn't being truthful would you trust them with other beliefs?

  of course they were reffering to other religions..i cannot recall where that is..anyone remember??.

  thank you in advanced,.

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  Maybe this?

  *** g70 4/22 8 Changes That Disturb People *** ChangesThatDisturbPeople

  THE churches are in rapid decline. Even in the United States, where religion still enjoys perhaps the greatest popularity, nearly three out of four persons polled said that it is losing influence. Why is there this decline in religion?

  One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Medellín, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.

  “Tell me,” he asked, “how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?”

  What are some of these changes that disturb people?

  *** g70 4/22 8-10 Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday? *** ShouldMeatBeEatenonFriday?

  FOR centuries Catholics abstained from eating meat on Fridays. It was a Church law. Many sincerely believed it was a law of Almighty God. But now this has changed.

  The fact is that the meatless-Friday rule was made an obligation only some 1,100 years ago. Pope Nicholas I (858-867) was the one who put it into effect. And how vital was it considered that Catholics abide by this rule?

  A publication that bears the Catholic imprimatur, indicating approval, states: “The Catholic Church says that it is a mortal sin for a Catholic to eat meat on Friday knowingly and wilfully, without a sufficiently grave and excusing reason.” It adds: The “Church says that if a man dies in unrepented mortal sin, he will go to hell.”—RadioReplies, Rumble and Carty (1938).

  Thus the devout carefully avoided eating meat on Fridays. They sincerely believed that failure to obey could lead to their eternal punishment in a fiery hell.

  But then, early in 1966, Pope Paul VI authorized local Church officials to modify this abstinence requirement in their countries as they saw fit. The pope was acting in line with recommendations made at the recently completed Second Vatican Council. Thus, in one country after another, meatless Fridays were virtually abolished—in France, Canada, Italy, Mexico, the United States, and so on.

  The Effect

  The effect upon many devout Catholics has been devastating. “All these years I thought it was a sin to eat meat,” explained a housewife in the midwestern United States. “Now I suddenly find out it isn’t a sin. That’s hard to understand.”

  If you are a Catholic, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Church a “mortal sin” can suddenly be approved? if it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today? Many Catholics cannot understand.

  When a woman in Canada was asked how she felt about the changes in her church, she replied: “I don’t know. Maybe you can tell me. What are they going to do with all those people sent to hell for eating meat on Friday?”

  Not just a few Catholics have asked such questions. The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the Church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?

  The Catholic Church, however, has not completely changed its position on Friday meat abstinence. Even now Catholics are still required to abstain from eating meat on “Good Friday.” Also, in some places they must not eat meat on Fridays during the Lenten season.

  But why is it considered wrong to eat meat on “Good Friday,” but permissible to do so on other Fridays of the year? It has caused thinking persons to wonder.

  Many persons have begun to ask questions regarding the basis for this teaching, as well as about other Church teachings. And what especially disturbs them is that they have not received satisfying answers.

  What BecomesEvident

  The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what God’s Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men.

  This is obviously true with regard to Friday meat abstinence. For, look as you may, nowhere in the Bible will you find that Christians were ever instructed to refrain from eating meat on any Friday of the year, or on any other day. It is not a requirement of God. In fact, the Catholic edition of the Revised Standard Version Bible says that enjoining or commanding “abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving” is an evidence of a departure from the faith.—1 Tim. 4:1-4.

  Thus, many truth-seekers are having their eyes opened to see that the Catholic Church has not been holding strictly to God’s Word. And they are wondering whether any religion that does not do so is worthy of their confidence and support.

  But there are other changes that are also disturbing people today.
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  ANOTHER GILEAD STUDENT

  by not sure yet in

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  i've been reading this forum a for some time now.

  since i find myself on a crossroad i decided to start participating.

  i was at gilead in 1980 and remember standing in de elevator alone with ray franz, how just gave us a lecture.

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  Was your class the one that did the Wiz at graduation? I worked on Gilead when it moved to 12th floor of 30 building.
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  New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers

  by RR in

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  from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

  " (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

  (eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.

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  As I recall, Sidlik's wife had her arm around him all the time during prayers.
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  Watchtower Blood Transfusion, Denys and Crile

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  2. medical

  watchtower blood transfusion, denys and crile.

  watchtower writes:.

  it is of no consequence that the blood is taken into the body through the veins instead of the mouth.

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  I am sure that there was a WT article within the last 5(?) years that mocked something else that quoted an authority (medical I believe) that was a few hundred years old. That citing such an authority would make them lose all credibility. Does anyone remember that article? Since I was aware of this situation with Denys, I was amazed that they would dare publish such a statement.
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  Elder doesn't remember being on judicial committee with my wife

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  my wife was talking to an elder at the meeting recently.

  he asked her if she was still on restrictions (for our pre-marital hanky panky).

  he went on to imply that they would probably be lifted soon.

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  I can easily picture myself being like that elder. I have a natural tendency to be forgetful about a lot of things, even in my own life. Also, while I was one I was dealing with the abuse of my own child.

  Elders can't win. Some really are no good but many are. If he remembered, there would be complaints that they never forget what someone has done wrong. If he forgets, then he just doesn't care.

  Very much like threads about visiting disfellowshipped. If they come, they're bad because they won't leave you alone. If they don't come it proves that they don't care.
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  JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

  ) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

  i don't want to harp on each point.

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  ATJ,

  With all that you read and learn about the JW's on the internet, do you personally believe that this is the one true religion?

  Maybe, depends on your definition of "true religion".

  Jehovah the one true god?

  Believe so, but readily admit to not understanding many things.

  and that everyone else who is a non JW is dead?

  No, unless there is some dramatic, unmistakable turn of events that is obvious to all.