Posts by pronomono

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Wife fully awake.

by cappytan in

i learned this past week that my wife is now awake.

i just shared the pbs newshour segment with her with no comment other than something along the lines of, "jw story on pbs.".

she is furious at the arrogance of these men.. thats what happens when you get a momma angry!.

Just saw this. I'm happy for the both of you Cappytan. I shared the PBS and ABC segments with my wife too, but I don't know if she fully watched them. She probably just skimmed the transcript. She did say she wondered why the two were out in service together with Candace being so young. I told her it's not that uncommon, especially when it's a close family friend that you trust.

Even though there's not much in the open aside from our talks last year where I explained my doubts, I'm having some small progress. I can count the number of meetings I've been to this year on one hand. My wife says that she's going to the meetings, but the day of there's always some excuse as to why she can't go, so we don't. Less indoctrination is a good thing. Baby steps for us...

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Here at last, My JC letter. No response but heard thru the grapevine that I was DA'd anyways.

by Question_Mans_interpretation in

jw
friends

hello all, i finally got around to posting my letter to my judicial committee meeting requests.

sorry its kind of long, it came to 4 pages because of the special meeting requests.

tuesday january 28, 2014.

pronomono

+1. Excellent letter. I'm taking notes from you guys from when I have to write my own to this effect. Not that it will have any effect on the situation, but it sure makes you feel better getting these thoughts off your chest and into writing.

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How much did Candace Conti originally sue for?

by Pubsinger in

was it $144000.

where would i find proof of this?.

thanks.

pronomono

I've been trying to find confirmation on this too. There's a ton of Conti documents at JWLeaks that I have been going through, but I haven't found anything that lists a specific amount except what was awarded. If anyone finds some official documentation or news articles that support (or disprove) the 144,000 pennies/dollars, please share.

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Inactive ones are not JWs

by gone for good in

years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

pronomono

I've had a few elders say from the platform "You can't really call yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses if you aren't witnessing."

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For all still in.... fakers. Help.

by Sofia Lose in

am i alone in this feeling?

i wish i could muster the cojones needed to tell my husband "i want a divorce, move away, not be a jw anymore!".

i find myself screaming these same words over and loud inside my mind, several times a day, and yet on the outside my actions could not be more opposed to these inner feelings.. sometimes i worry that this internal conflict will cause me to go crazy.

pronomono

Sofia,

One more here to chime in that you're not alone. Ever since I've learned TTATT, I've had this constant fear that my wife will realize that I'm not going to turn back to the indoctrinated person I was. I'm not going to wake up and realize that I was wrong the JWs were right. I'm afraid that from this realization she'll want a divorce, not wanting to waste time building a relationship that she feels would have no lasting value. I'm still working on my fade. I discuss a few points here and there with a local elder. I'm slowly coming to the point that no matter what the outcome, I will be okay. I might not think so in the moment, but I will be okay.

One thing that has helped me is looking at the similarities between us and ex-mormons (since they are so close in their methods, etc to us). This comparison has showed me that not only are we not alone amongst ex-JWs, but we're also not alone among those of other faiths. They go through the same struggles, emotions, and thoughts as we do. If you get a moment, watch through some of the IAmAnExMormon videos. You can YouTube or Google for them. One of my favorites deals with marriage and the struggles of opposing faiths... Our-Marriage-Has-Survived-A-Crisis-of-Faith.

I still suffer from deep depression because of the stress a fade creates. I cherish each day with my wife and friends, because I know each one could be the last. I'm working on my "live like you were dying" mentality, not from the standpoint of eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we shall die, but from the standpoint that my entire state of affairs is so fragile, that each day could be the last with someone I love. I don't want to have regrets wishing that I treated someone differently or didn't do this or that while I still had the chance with them. I want my friends and family to know that what we have is truly special, so that way when they are told they have to shun me, hopefully they will at least stop and think twice about what they are loosing by following such a cruel policy. I know this is a pipe dream because the society spins it that us ex-jws are the ones who have lost, but that doesn't stop me from hoping just a little bit.

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

pronomono

Excellent job, Flipper. May talkative sister will share some of the things she learned with the other sisters.

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IMPORTANT NEWS: ABC News' Nightline will air a segment about the Watchtower (JWs) Wednesday morning at 12:35 a.m. EST

by AndersonsInfo in

important news:.

here in the united states, on wednesday morning, march 11th at 12:35 a.m., est, barring any breaking news the day before, the program, nightline, will air as their lead story a 9-minute segment about the watchtower (jehovah's witnesses).

the program is 30 minutes long and this segment is only one part of the show.

pronomono

This is starting to be like the Wt. We get to a date, only to have it be reset to the near future....again....and again. lol. Hope to see this soon.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are "not even wrong" and here is why.

by TerryWalstrom in

a magician can demonstrate an empty hat from which, seconds later, he pulls a rabbit.

a rabbit in that empty hat?

in pre-enlightenment times, the easy answer was: magic was real--but--it was accomplished.

pronomono

Excellent post, Terry!

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a situation I know of and the mind set of the elders.

by joe134cd in

ok here's the situation i know of.. a women was in a situation where she was forced to reveal a hidden sin and was given a private reproof for it.

before this she had an other wise clean slate.

btw the reproof was for an unrelated matter and had nothing to do with apostasy.

pronomono

She'll be left alone for a while. Then one day they'll look through their records and realize "Oh, crap! We forgot about her. Better make a token visit before the CO get on to us..." They'll make their token visit, and depending on how she handles it, things can go a few different ways from there.

Most elders are way too busy be concerned with shepherding calls. Every elder I've ever talked to has told me they don't do this enough because of all the other things they have to do. When I was a MS and worked closely with them, I understood how busy they were. It's not that they don't care. I could tell most of them did, with a few exceptions. There are some that are in it just for the title. These are the ones that get all the stories that we read on here. But from my experience, the majority are just like all of us were before we left, beaten down and dragged out with no upside in sight.

I have been to all of two meetings this year. Two years ago I was a spiritual asset in the congregation, giving Public talks, fill-ins, and any responsibility that was asked of me. Fast-forward to now where I'm doing absolutely nothing, except a token hour of field service (informally) and an occasional meeting when my wife insists we go. I think I've fallen quite a ways, but after the initial effort to "pull me out of the fire" last year with a few back-room encouragements and one in-depth conversation with a local elder on why I can't believe in the teaching of this generation, they haven't shown any outward display of caring. No calls, no visits, nothing. It's been great sleeping in on Sundays and not having to get ready for the mid-week meeting after work though. And my wife has been missing just as much as me. It's funny how she's always sick the night of our midweek meeting. They make me sick too, lol. And when we wake up on Sunday's after the meeting has started, we just go on our way and find something to do, or just relax. It's nice.

So tell your friend to enjoy not being bothered. They'll come around one day. But until then, don't worry. They have no power over her.

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WHAT was / is CHRISTIANITY?

by TerryWalstrom in

what was christianity?.

it was like a pointillist painting:.

little dots, daubs, color splotches which only form a picture if viewed at a distance.. if you stand close, you see only the dots.

pronomono

jhine: Terry I must (politely) disagree with your comment about all the different denominations thinking that only they are correct and all the others are WRONG .

I have to agree with Terry on this one. There's a difference in believing you have the correct view and respecting others rights to have their own view. This is why you see so many denominations. Two particular denominations may believe 99% of the same things, but its that one percent where each feels convicted they have a better understanding of scripture and why they have their own denomination. This doesn't mean that they don't have respect for their fellow Christians or view them as brothers in faith. But the idea is still there that each has the correct view and the other is wrong. Otherwise, what is the point of your faith if it is not to be fully convinced that you have the truth.

In our day, some people are becoming more liberal in accepting other interpretations of Bible passages. I guess this is part of the reason we are seeing more non-denominational churches, which allow people to focus on the universal "truths" in the Bible instead of on what has created denominational divisions.