Posts by eyeuse2badub

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Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

by JWOP in

are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

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As usual, Blondie finds the hidden treasures. TY Blondie.

In April 1973, I attended one of the first 'Elders Schools' in Norco California. It was 2 very intense weeks of study, role playing, and general JW indoctrination. I remember clearly one of the sessions when we were talking about the history of the org. Most of us in the class were relatively young, 25-40, and not much interested in the history since Armagedon was so near. Anyway, Brother Dixon was our instructor and he made the comments that we should not encourage the brothers and sisters to be reading the older publications, i.e. Rutherfordian stuff. Didn't give it much thought then.

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need help. did wt ever print, say: "-- the kingdom will never be more fully established then now, since 1914==" or words to that effect?

by prologos in

i heard this said, asserted in the 60s, early 70s from a super- ambitions, reaching -for- the -top pioneer, quoting out of his note-book from his.

"i am smarter than thou" repertoire..

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Subject, of course, to 'nu lite'. As the leadership of the WTBTS changes, so does it's 'current truth'. I just love that expression, "current truth".

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Does the WTS's past matter?

by M.J. in

i know, i'd jump into this topic by saying, "heck yeah.

they're the ones saying they've been appointed by god based on what they were doing back around 1914-1919.

" but i'm trying to help someone out who has reached a roadblock with his wife.

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If a brother or sister in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses has a known past of being a child molester or sexual predator, can they be appointed as an elder, MS, or regular pioneer? Ah! So the past does matter!

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Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

by JWOP in

are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

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Actually the "Proclamers" book helped me get started on the road to freedom. Reading about Russell's 'pyramid' belief, Rutherford's Beth Sarim and 'Millions Now Living" got me started doing 'independent' research which led me to sites such as this. Thank you "Proclaimers" book!

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Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

by JWOP in

are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

eyeuse2badub

They Who Write History Control History and thus Control the World

The great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than purposely or consciously evil … therefore … they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. —Adolph Hitler

“Those in power write the history, while those who suffer write the songs.”

― Frank Harte

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COC & ISOCF - (for believers) -what DON'T you agree with raymondo about?

by Captain Blithering in

hi all, i'm halfway through isocf having finished coc recently..

i'm still in, not sure what i believe anymore, but along the christian viewpoint, uncle ray makes a lot of sense to me.

so are there any contrary viewpoints out there, any points ray made that can be argued against or that you find hard to swallow?

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The only thing "hard to swallow" about Ray is: that like many of us, he stayed 'in' despite his gut, brain, and conscience telling him to 'get out'.

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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped

by jwfacts in

a thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.

i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.

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Great letter Paul. The name of your site, jwfacts, says it all. Facts don't lie. It is so cool to have a place to go to to see so many of the false and wrong doctrines and other dogma of the WTBTS exposed by it's own words. Thanks for compiling all this information for the many like myself that have had serious misgivings and doubts for years and even decades. Like myself, many here are former elders, pioneers, ms's, etc. We just mindlessly "went along" like good dubbers do. As a great man once said; "Free at last, free at last, O thank God, we're free at last"!

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Leaps of Logic

by FadeToBlack in

from the march 1, 2010 wt:.

is the bible the word of god?.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3:16, 17.. .

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We don't even know if we have "all scripture". What book, letters, or documents belong in the Bible? The Catholic Church and their lackeys decided which books were cannonized. The decisions made by the Catholic Church back in the 4th century! The WTBTS's view is that Jehovah saw to it that his word was preserved in tact. Wonder why Jehovah didn't see to it that his name was preserved during the time that the Bible was being compiled?

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MY 10 YEAR OLD COMES HOME FROM SPECIAL ASSEMBLY DAY AND SAYS...

by PaintedToeNail in

jw
friends

"there was a kid who turned down a college scholarship so he could pioneer.

how stupid!

i would do anything to have a scholarship.

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Yea, I was a JW of the 60's and forsook a university opportunity. I pioneered and got married. Yippee for me! i didn't discouraged my kids from higher education even though I was an elder during the time my kids were graduationg high school. Today, I am actively encouraging my grandchildren to go to college get an education and a good career. I never tell my grandchildren that the big A is right around the corner. In fact, I never talk to them at all bout WTBTS stuff.

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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At least point out to them how hypocritical the WTBTS's doctrine is in NOW allowing blood fractions, but still banning blood donations. If we now accept blood fractions, who the $%^& is going to donate the blood from which the fractions are derived. Let them think about that.

And I'm with you on the destroying the blood card. I did and told my JW wife. She said that it was my decision and left it at that.

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