Posts by robhic

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The LWs and the True Bible Code?

by Smiles in

march 21, 2008 - after a lengthy calculation based on the bible, a british group, the lord's witnesses, has concluded that the start of armageddon will happen on this day.

three quarters of the world's population will die during the subsequent war.

this will be preceded by the united nations taking over complete control of the world in the lunar month preceding 2001-apr-24.

robhic

...This will be preceded by the United Nations taking over complete control of the world in the lunar month preceding 2001-APR-24.

I am not a JW but in my time reading this forum I have seen the UN given a whole lot more power than they actually have. For a group that most times can't find its ass with both hands, the UN is portrayed as some mighty military, or capable of bringing military, force.

I think a good rule of thumb is that any group that gives such credit to the UN can automatically be ruled out as much of anything of importance. Just another bunch of kooks.

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Meeting with 2 Dubs this Saturday...Please help with suggestions ;)

by FreedomFrog in

well, i didn't think i'd be back on jwd for awhile.

but new things are happening in my life.

my parents are starting to panic because of me standing for what i feel is right.

robhic

Here is the URL to the post by Alleymom (referenced elsewhere) which is the most magnificent and simple explanation of why 586-7 is the correct date. It shows (like a show-and-tell) how 607 is not only wrong, but totally impossible -- using the WTS own literature to prove it!

Go here and be prepared to be blown away: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

Good luck!

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Meeting with 2 Dubs this Saturday...Please help with suggestions ;)

by FreedomFrog in

well, i didn't think i'd be back on jwd for awhile.

but new things are happening in my life.

my parents are starting to panic because of me standing for what i feel is right.

robhic

FreedomFrog, I don't know if this is 'zactly what you are looking for but it does give you some "ammunition" to question the inspired claims for the bible:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.html

If you haven't seen this site before it goes thru the entire bible and shows inconsistencies, contradictions and such and also points out some of the more violent, genocidal and also sexual stuff in the "good book." I love it and you might find some useful stuff to use.

Good luck.

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New Invitations for the "Deliverance at Hand" DC

by dorayakii in

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the front of this new watchtower-sized invitation features a common painting of the jw paradise and the theme of his years distirct convention, "deliverance at hand" emblazened across the front.

it looks like they're trying to work up armageddon fervour again.. .

robhic

DELIVERANCE BY GOD'S KINGDOM AT HAND!
(Talk given on last day of convention)

If it were a Saturday Night Live skit this is where the excited crowd gets told: "Just Keeeeeeeding!!"

Or do you think they'll try to float a new implied date? And why "god" and not "jehovah"? Public perception?

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Input from Christians requested on JWs not partaking

by Brigid in

this is a new concept for me that i keep running into with all of the discussion regarding the memorial: the fact that the jehovah's witnesses make a yearly ritual (their only ritual) of not partaking of the symbolic flesh of christ.

can any christians comment on the importance in the christian faith of partaking in this?

and why, would jw's feel the need to build up this rite to have people "pass" it up.

robhic

... It is literally taking in the body of your god for...what? Your Salvation (can't remember)? Why do witnesses pass on it? Is it you have to take that in to go to heaven? but not necessarily salvation?

I don't really know why JWs pass on it, but catholics do take communion because 1) jesus said to do it in the bible and 2) it is sort of a requirement, if I remember correctly.

You have to have communion at least once a year, go to confession once and possibly something else but I don't remember. If you don't, it is a problem in the eyes of the catholic church.

As an aside -- as an altar boy all those long years ago, I and the others used to eat the non-consecrated (before the priest blessed them) wafers and sneak a mouthful of wine sometimes before the priest got to the service. It was so cool to be 10-14 years old and drinking wine!

I think it was / is supposed to be sinful but almost 40 years later and old jeebus hasn't dealt with me yet! Maybe he doesn't really care afterall...

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Input from Christians requested on JWs not partaking

by Brigid in

this is a new concept for me that i keep running into with all of the discussion regarding the memorial: the fact that the jehovah's witnesses make a yearly ritual (their only ritual) of not partaking of the symbolic flesh of christ.

can any christians comment on the importance in the christian faith of partaking in this?

and why, would jw's feel the need to build up this rite to have people "pass" it up.

robhic

Can any Christians comment on the importance in the Christian faith of partaking in this?

I'm not sure this is exactly what you want, but I was raised catholic before I became the heathen scum that I am today. Never was a JW.

Anyway, after a catholic child makes their "First Communion" (somewhere around 2nd grade if I remember correctly) they are then allowed to receive "communion" which is the unleavened wafer that (supposedly) is jesus' body. It's been a loooooooong time since I went thru this voodoo myself, and the wine wasn't even part of the deal back then. It is now, but I don't know if there is an age-limit on giving it to children...

Catholics can actually receive communion every day of the week! The churches usually have services (mass) every day, sometimes multiple times and then the many services on Sunday. You can only "partake" (borrowing a term...) once a day and (at least it used to be) only after fasting for at least an hour (can't have jeebus' "body" mixing in with some cheap, instant breakfast food!). Way back when I was a kid you couldn't eat from 12:00 midnight the day before receiving communion! It made going to the masses later in the day a real ordeal. Technically, you can eat christ's body 365 days a year!!!!

So I would say "yes" it is a big deal for catholics. They have a whole big-deal ceremony to induct children into being able to partake. It is viewed with much ceremony and seriousness and getting communion at a mass is a central activity of the service.

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Strange but TRUE

by KW13 in

ha ha i was laughing just now, had a strange memory.. when stepdad was away and/or when mum was playing the male role of jw head of household she used to cover her head.

anything...a hat, a scarf, tea towel (no lie!!)..

this was i think from the reasoning book or something, but yeh...covering her head out of respect for jehovah.

robhic

I was raised catholic and not JW. Until (I think) the mid-sixties all females had to wear some type of head-covering when in church itself. Most of the ladies opted for a scarf or veil of some type. Especially popular was a gauzy, open-weave black veil reminiscent of a Latin dancer. Pretty but all this excitement about a head-cover seemed so stupid to me. (Still does.)

But ....... in a clutch you could whip out a kleenex (which my poor mother often did) or some other emergency head covering. Sad.

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More of Mormon similarities...

by ringo5 in

got this post from an ex-mormon website and the similarities to the jw way of thinking are always enlightening.

i've got lots of thoughts.

there are lots of problems with mormonism, and in response mormons have developed a number of responses to "explain" them.

robhic

On the national news yesterday on TV, it had a story on Mormons. It said that Mormon is the most rapidly growing religion in the US. It showed some bicycle riders and a few friendly faces but didn't really get in-depth.

I found the growth rate interesting. I guess people like a mystery!

Robert

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Another Memorial Post -- with question

by robhic in

i have a friend (jw) who has severe multiple sclerosis so bad that she is essentially confined to a bed.

now, she has one of those electric "chrstopher reeves-looking" wheelchairs but requires someone (usually her sons or brother -- not jw) to physically pick her up and put her in it.. she hasn't been to a memorial in a couple of years, since her condition got so bad.

she told me the other night that some of the congregation are gonna bring her to the one this wednesday the 12th.

robhic

I told her why didn't jehovah just swoop down and move her wheelchair for her on his way to the memorial but she got pissed and hung up on me. Imagine that !

I hate to tell you this, but you really had it coming.

Oh, I agree completely. In fact, I expected no less. Let's just say it was my snide little way of firing a quick volley back at a source that is always hitting me over the head with jehovah's righteous indignation. I get it all the time and hear all the wonders of jehovah (and especially his appointees in her local congregation).

They can do no wrong! I guess that's pretty easy because they generally don't do anything at all so doing wrong doesn't get done ... just like doing right. Yep, they're not selective in their ineffectiveness. That's why I really want to see them go to the lengths that will be required to tote this poor woman to the hall. They've never done it before. Offered, but never actually done it...

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Dead Sea Scrolls

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

oookay, so i have my copy.. i've gone through the intro and now i'm just starting the damascus writings.. does anyone have any advice they might give as to how to approach this?

or maybe what to expect?.

thanks in advance.

robhic

Wow, I read the book, too, and was going to suggest a cocktail or two as a good ingredient when approaching that particular work.

But then Leo went and got all scholarly and my comment just seems insipid now...

Robert