Posts by robhic

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

robhic

You left off this gem from one paragraph above what you posted:

29 After much of the mathematics and genealogies, really, of what benefit is this information to us today? Is it not all dead history, as uninteresting and profitless as walking through a cemetery copying old dates off tombstones? After all, why should we be any more interested in the date of Adam's creation than in the birth of King Tut? Well, for one thing, if 4,026 is added to 1,968 (allowing for the lack of a zero year between C.E. and B.C.E.) one gets a total of 5,993 years, come this autumn, since Adam's creation. That means, in the fall of the year 1975, a little over seven years from now (and not in 1997 as would be the case if Ussher's figures were correct), it will be 6,000 years since the creation of Adam, the father of all mankind!

What unbridled arrogance!

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Help the Newbie

by confused_101 in

hey all i'm sure that this is probably a silly question and maybe i'm just a bit slow (no, not a blonde...lol) but could y'all let me know what all the abreviations mean.

i get some of them...jw, dw but like dub, what is that one and any others that are used on a regular basis.

.

robhic

Hey Confused:

Try this Firefox Extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=35&application=firefox

It lets you open a page in IE while using Firefox. You can even put a little icon in the toolbar so you can open pages using IE without going thru all the BS to go to IE, enter the address, etc. It's quick and fast.

Robert

P.S. You sure look a lot like Jodie Foster!

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Rebellious angels.....why were they men and not women?

by gumby in

when jehovahs angels went ballistic before the flood.....for some reason these angels were only males who wanted all the hot babes on earth.

none of the angels decided to become a girl that went after all the dudes with nice fannys on earth.

how was it that every angel who went bad became a male?.

robhic

I didn't think the angels were supposed to be "up to the task" regardless.

Matthew 22:29-30 (NWT):
"In reply Jesus said to them: "You are mistaken, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God; for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven."

Did that mean the angels didn't marry and therefore didn't do the nasty or that the angels in heaven just didn't marry? Now I've confused myself but when you think about it, who'd want to be "doing it" with their special person in a place ruled by some guy reported to be able to see everything?

Plus, I also thought I remember seeing that the angels were sexless (as in gender). My head hurts...

Robert

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Can you help me find info about Gods name

by PoppyR in

hi everyone, i have tried the search function (honest!

) but cant find the posts that i know are here.

tonight in the book study they were talking about daniel using gods name and i remembered reading somewhere that the jws put it in the nwt where it wasn't used.

robhic

This link will probably give you access to more information than you even want:

http://www.tetragrammaton.org/itmdnnwt.htm

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God only hears SOME prayers.....but not all.

by gumby in

if you are a loser who doesn't know god....but you would like to, and you haven't conformed your life to him, nor fear him yet because you don't know him ....he doesn't listen to you.

you must conform first.....then he'll listen.. below are various quotes from the society.. watchtower, may 15, 1990, pp.11-12 fear jehovah, the hearer of prayerfear jehovah, the hearer of prayer.

a restricted privilege.

robhic

5. When I left the JW cult I had hypertension, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, low potassium (so low it was approaching lethal levels), intense depression and IBS. 5 months later it was all gone...

Honesty:

I am sincerely glad that you find comfort and even physical well-being in your belief. But, do you think that most of the symptoms (above) could have been caused by the constant stress that JWs are put under and leaving alleviated them? I also seems a trip to the doctor and a thorough physical exam would have probably disclosed the problems you cite and a capable physician could have and most likely would have addressed them with you.

This is not a criticism (who am I to find fault with someone's sincere belief?) but my curiousity. I find many of the things associated with any flavor of organized religion distasteful. In my opinion, I think medical attention along with changing one's mental, wishful thinking attitude is at least as effective.

But that's me...

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God's Organization.

by Blueblades in

it is evident that the only way any organization could be god's organization would be if god appointed it as such.

jehovah's witnesses believe that the watchtower society received that appointment in the spring of 1919 in fulfillment of the most important scripture in watchtower theology---matthew 24:45-47.. on the watchtower's official website under the heading, 'what jehovah's witnesses believe" they list forty of their teachings.

but their most important teaching, the only teaching that needs to be known------"the watchtower society is god's organization"---is not mentioned.. this from,"captives of a concept" page17.

robhic

A trip with Jesus to various denominations however would be an interesting tour...eh? I think the one i'd like to watch his face the most would be with the holy roller bastards. He'd have a cow.

And just imagine the look on his face if he would see one of those religions that dance with snakes!

JC: WTF? Are you people dancin' with that there snake? Are ye nuts? It's a SNAKE not a dancing partner. What are you thinking?!

I think the J-man would really start tripping if he personally (if he was real in the first place...) observed some of the weird-ass shit done in his name!

Robert -- professional heathen

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God's Organization.

by Blueblades in

it is evident that the only way any organization could be god's organization would be if god appointed it as such.

jehovah's witnesses believe that the watchtower society received that appointment in the spring of 1919 in fulfillment of the most important scripture in watchtower theology---matthew 24:45-47.. on the watchtower's official website under the heading, 'what jehovah's witnesses believe" they list forty of their teachings.

but their most important teaching, the only teaching that needs to be known------"the watchtower society is god's organization"---is not mentioned.. this from,"captives of a concept" page17.

robhic

Would Jesus tell the churches to sell their buildings and give the proceeds to the poor and for them meet in homes instead?

Would Jesus be surprised when they all looked at him funny, moved away and ignored him for even suggesting that?

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Interesting Book (Sorry if this is a double-post)

by robhic in

i just bought this book -- "the end of faith" by sam harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph.

it is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points.

it is about all religions, not jw but it includes all religions in its sights.

robhic

I just bought this book -- "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph. It is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points. It is about all religions, not JW but it includes all religions in its sights.

I'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts I liked, but I'll copy this one as a taste:

"Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever." The End of Faith, pg. 19

That's a good start to give some idea of the tone of this book. I haven't finished reading it but see no resaon to think the rest will be any different. I'll have to use that yogurt = invisible man one if I get the chance.

There are also a couple of interesting thoughts about how a 14th Century scholar would stack up intellectually with a modern child in grade school and some comparisons / contrasts of ancient biblical truths or realities and how they would be perceived today. Fascinating.

So far it is a really good read. But maybe that's just me ...

Robert

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Interesting Book

by robhic in

i just bought this book -- "the end of faith" by sam harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph.

it is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points.

it is about all religions, not jw but it includes all religions in its sights.. i'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts i liked, but i'll copy this one as a taste:.

robhic

I just bought this book -- "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph. It is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points. It is about all religions, not JW but it includes all religions in its sights.

I'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts I liked, but I'll copy this one as a taste:

"Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever." The End of Faith, pg. 19

That's a good start to give some idea of the tone of this book. I haven't finished reading it but see no resaon to think the rest will be any different. I'll have to use that yogurt = invisible man one if I get the chance.

There are also a couple of interesting thoughts about how a 14th Century scholar would stack up intellectually with a modern child in grade school and some comparisons / contrasts of ancient biblical truths or realities and how they would be perceived today. Fascinating.

So far it is a really good read. But maybe that's just me ...

Robert

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JW's: Polytheists?

by jstalin in

i was thinking today about the issue of jesus' deity (or lack thereof), according to the wts.

they say that jehovah is god, jesus is not the same as jehovah, but that jesus is a god.

doesn't that make jws polytheists?

robhic

"I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt...You shall have no other gods besides Me."

What were my choices? I thought it was widely accepted that there was only one. Do you think christians know this? Who did jehoobah think would steal his adoring crowd from him? Not one of those golden cows or a snake or something, eh? And he didn't bring me out of Egypt. I've never even been there!