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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

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  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,
  

  
  

  So you don't try to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech. I am hoping to hear from someone who does.
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  venus,

  re: "Problem is not about common figure of speech."

  
  

  It is for the purpose of this topic.
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,

  Do you try to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech?
  

  
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

  2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

  3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

  4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

  5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.

  6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.

  6. For the purpose of this topic, I would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?
  
  
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  If Time were running in reverse would we know it?

  by D wiltshire in

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  if "time" is running backwards i dont see how that we would ever know, perhaps some clever physicist could devise an experiment to find out for sure.. some theoreticians have suggested the reason the arrow of time runs from past to future is tied intimately to the expansion of space.

  since einstein special theory of relativity we have come to see that "time", space and speed are all relative.

  we now more correctly speak of "space-time" instead of just space.

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  Does anyone know when the law of cause and effect may have come into existence? And if so, what was the cause?
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

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  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  peacefulpete,

  re: "I have no desire to rehash hash."

  I didnt ask you to. You made the flat out pronouncement that "The Bible says Jesus died on Friday...". Since I dont know where the Bible says that, I merely asked you to reference the incontestable scripture that you used to make that statement. You apparently do not have any, but instead are simply taking the word of someone else. Thats fine, but you probably shouldnt be making statements that the Bible says something when you dont KNOW that it does.
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
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  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  peacefulpete,

  re: "The Bible says Jesus died on Friday..."

  Could you please provide some scripture that incontestably states that the Messiah died of a Friday.
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  Abaddon,

  re: "Let's assume it's all true. And him dying on a Thursday instead of a Friday makes what difference to his teachings?"

  Since the Messiah said that he would be in the tomb for three days AND three nights, any time period shorter than that would mean that he didnt know what he was talking about. I should think that might raise a question regarding his "teachings".

  Edited by - rstrats on 12 February 2003 14:11:31
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  Yerusalyim,

  Since Luke 24:21 is clear that the crucifixion couldnt have occurred on Friday, the preparation day and Sabbath being mentioned in your comment must refer to days other than Friday and Saturday. John 19:31 identifies the preparation day in question as the day before a "high day" Sabbath, which in this case was the first day of the feast of the Passover. That the term "preparation day " did not always have to mean the day before the 7 th day Sabbath is attested to by Rabbi Samuel Lacks who states: "The day of preparation (Greek paraskeue) equals Friday OR the day before a holiday" - [A Rabbinic Commentary of the New Testament]. Therefore, the preparation day mentioned in your references did not have to be referring to a Friday.
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  rstrats

  It is my understanding that JWs believe that the crucifixion occurred on Friday. However, Luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than Thursday. How do you explain the seeming discrepancy?