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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

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  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  A long time ago, whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 was brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection believing folks, some of them tried to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common Jewish figure of speech/colloquial language. Since I wasn't aware of any examples that showed that is was common to say that a daytime or a night time was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur I started asking around for actual examples of such usage. So far none have been provided. That's the only thing this particular topic is concerned with.
  
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  myelaine,
  re: " My comment is a reply to clarify to you that the days and nights did occur."
  

  That's an issue for a different topic. This one is concerned with one issue and only one issue, i.e., examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.
  
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  myelaine ,

  Thanks for the comments but I'm afraid they don't provide any examples which show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,
  re: "I'll let some one else take them."

  OK; anyone care to answer my questions in post #34 to Bobcat regarding his comments in post #33?
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,

  re: "Believe as you want."

  OK, thank you.

  BTW, you have a couple of questions directed to you in my last post.
  
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,
  re: "First, (in case you did not know) the Jewish day ran from sundown to sundown. (approx 6pm to 6pm)"
  

  I don't see the relevancy. Please explain.

  re: "Fri, 3pm Jesus dies and buried before sundown.
  

  Your comments are based on a 6th day of the week crucifixion, but nowhere does scripture state that.

  re: " With our modern time keeping and dependence in life on precision in our time keeping, this appears to us to be an egregious mis-counting of time."
  

  Why mention today's time keeping? We're talking about the first century.
  

  re: "But to Jesus' listeners (with not a single watch or calendar among them)..."
  

  They didn't need a watch or calendar to tell them when it was daytime or night time.
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  Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.

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  Bobcat,
  re: "I do understand that in the account of Jesus' death and resurrection there were not three actual days and nights involved."

  I'm not aware of any scripture that shows that. What do you have in mind?
  
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

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  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  EverApostate,
  re: "Even if Jesus was real and he was crucified on a Friday, so what ?"

  
  

  The 'what' would be that His authority could be questioned since He wasn't in the "heart of the earth" for the length of time that He said He would be.
  
  
  
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  EverApostate,
  re: "Even if Jesus was real and he was crucified on a Friday, so what ?"
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  Friday crucifixion?

  by rstrats in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that jws believe that the crucifixion occurred on friday.

  however, luke 24:21 would seem to indicate that it couldn't have occurred any later than thursday.

  how do you explain the seeming discrepancy?

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  peacefulpete

  re: "So you have seen a discrepency between verses now what?"

  I never said I see a discrepancy between verses. What do you have in mind?