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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hey JT,
Since you on this board at the same time as i am and at work. I meet everyday Jw's in my building on the street everyday. I fade away it is just a matter of time they will find out about my state. How would you deal with former members that you meet on the street. I know once they find out about me it will be a shock since i know so many people in that city everywhere i go i meet one and they always asking the same question how is your congregation.
amen
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hello JamesThomas,
On doctrinal ground i know i am not the best on that because just like the watchtower it can change tomorrow my understanding of things. My impression of your post is this i think Jesus wants people to accept or acknowledge the sacrifice that he did for us but we have the free will to accept or not, men made it very complicate.
amen
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
Hello Borgfree,
My spiritual journey is a long one and it is not over. Before i was a witness i had experienced what people call today being born again which means if i am correct. At one time i prayed until i cried that i accept the lord as my savior and i felt a few second lator a force that strike me twice like that i could describe as a pleasant electric force. Remind you at the time which was 17 years ago i did not know anything about doctricnes what so ever for years i never talk about this to anyone because i did not know if it was demonic force. Still today i don't know what to make of it. However the experience was real.
Why did i join the witnesses since i heard a lot of comment that the spirit would guide the cristians since it is a false religion. Why did i spent my valuable time my best time in that religion.
I do not have the answer and i am still searching. How much in the bible is inspired i don't know, sometimes i can read Paul's giving his own opinion on matters is he there inspired. I still don't know. Should we stick only to Jesus word and ignore all the others just to be on the safe side.
Things are not as clear as i thought it would be. Many occasions i think it is clear but not so to be honest with me. Jesus has left a legacy here on earth to all especially those who profess to be cristians, will he find faith when he'll come back.
That's everyone to answer that question. That's why i conclude to my previous post.
amen
recently, it has been said that jw's do not solicit money going door to door.
if this is the case, then why are the following points going contrary to what the 'official line is' ?.
1-the co counselled the congregation recently saying that 'not enough people were mentioning the donation arrangement'.. 2-we are 'told' to mention the donation arrangement every time there is a presentation on 'what to say about the magazines'.
Well, i think the society knows very well about human natures. If the person that accepts the magazine does not pay they remind us that we should pay from our pocket. It is well know among publishers that we pick up the tabs.
We should feel sorry for the society that's what they want us to get the message.
amen.
how many of you, go to the occasional meeting?
i no longer believe any of the things i was raised to believe... but for some reason i still go to the occasional meeting and i even went to the special assembly last weekend (even though i got there after lunch).
i guess it will take a while to completely break away but i was wondering if anyone else is in this situation.
Welcome Girlonthefence,
I recently left and i don't forsee puting my feet in any kingdom hall except for business. There is no truth in that organization and i will be a waste of time to hear a talk. i would rather read a pasage from the bible instead of going to a meeting.
Amen
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as i'm having some serious differences with some friends about the born again attitude i would like to get some information on their origins, practices and what they actually believe help me somone please .
ymrah
You see I can see that Jesus was right, he came to divide people, eventhough we have a book about him (his life) as a believer we still arguing what is the proper way to salvation. The whole thing saddened me.
I really think one day when we die we'll have the answer. If we don't wake up after we die well too bad for all of us. In the mean time i see myself as sincere searching for God and it ain't easy with all the contradictions in beliefs.
So, this life that we have is worth enjoying it every second, love God to the best of your ability and do goods to your neighbor. If i make a mistake that i should have be an in a religion for salvation. I am not to blame because i have tried.
Amen
what i am about to state here has been said many times before in various ways, but i am offering some observations that i made as a bookstudy conductor over a period of 12 years, 9 of those as an elder, and before that as an ms filling in.. i was the type of conductor who would attempt to 'probe beneath the surface' as it were, when i conducted.
i was often amazed and sometimes a bit frustrated (though i tried never to be impatient with the people there) by the lack of comments at the bookstudy that would offer anything more than just a re-read of what the paragraph said.
i realize that many folks have busy lives and of course have little time for extra thought or research.
OUTLAWS,
They were all baptised members for a long time, range from 50 years to 10 years in the truth for the parents.
amen
as a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
I realise a lot of the things they said are not truth. Double standards. We were worshipping an organisation.
amen
what i am about to state here has been said many times before in various ways, but i am offering some observations that i made as a bookstudy conductor over a period of 12 years, 9 of those as an elder, and before that as an ms filling in.. i was the type of conductor who would attempt to 'probe beneath the surface' as it were, when i conducted.
i was often amazed and sometimes a bit frustrated (though i tried never to be impatient with the people there) by the lack of comments at the bookstudy that would offer anything more than just a re-read of what the paragraph said.
i realize that many folks have busy lives and of course have little time for extra thought or research.
I had conducted the book study on many occasions and i am telling you I made them think about the absurdity of some doctrines but off course i waited for their answers most of them will not reply to my questions except for an old sister that thinks she has all the answers.
An example of this would be, i would start with this question.
Are the watchtower articles are inspired or not. Some will look at me an say. It is not. Then i would say therefore those articles will have mistakes. A big silence in the room and the old sister would say the watchtower articles are not inspired but the men that wrote it are inspired by the holy Spirit.
What a non sense response? At this time I let them think for themselves i can not add anything otherwise I felt like they were going to report me to the elders.
amen
books and magazines all full of dire warnings..stay away from the world..don't have sex outside of marriage..armageddon is just around the corner..avoid worldly associations..look out for this, look out for that.
the list goes on and on and on.. yet the wtbts predictors of doom and gloom department never, ever, in their worst nightmares, ever saw what it was that would prove to be their nemesis.. that ex-witnesses, the majority of them disfellowshipped and, therefore, supposedly gagged and without a voice, would find a way to communicate with one another via the internet.. i wonder if the fact that they brought this upon themselves is clear to them?
the irony is astonishing.
They reap what they sow .
and it is not over.
amen
