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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

it's good to look at things with a fresh approach...

The angels that came to Earth could not rid themselves of all of their spiritual attributes that they were created with. They could not alter their internal makeup which is why their children were giants. This is in stark contrast to Jesus, who had a prehuman existence in heaven but was born completely human.

Perhaps this is why God said at Genesis 6:3, "My Spirit will not remain with mankind forever, because they are corrupt. Their days will be 120 years."

By coming down to Earth and mating with women the angels violated God's law of marriage, that a man would leave his father and his mother and he would stick to his wife and become one flesh. In a sense, the materialized angels who married and coupulated with women stole what rightfully belonged to man in the normal course of events.

Violating the one flesh standard was unacceptable to God, this is why the human line became contaminated and polluted by Satan's way of thining. Think of it this way. Leviticus 19:19 says "You must not crossbreed two different kinds of your livestock, sow your fields with two kinds of seed, or put on a garment made of two kinds of material." Those angels that came to Earth crossbred two different kinds of flesh; that of the spirit realm and a human which produced the Nephilim. The Mosaic law provided penalties for cross breeding two different spieces. Sexual perversions resulted in the death penalty. The angels left their natural home and came to earth. They were created in God's image and had both male and female attributes but looked upon mankind with curiosity and cultivated a desire from within their mind and figurative heart.

At the time of the flood, the angels that materialized had to revert back to their spiritual form in order to keep living. They gambled that by dematerializing, God would allow them back into the spirit realm, but once you fall from perfection there is no going back in God's eyes, so they were punished.

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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

Billy,

You said:

It's all very simple to understand the literal account of Noah's flood. After angels disobediently come down and married women, God's solution was to destroy all the dinosaurs and most of the humans in a global flood. God's righteousness required that he let the disobedient angels survive... along with 3500 species of mosquitoes.

Satan knew that sinning carried a death sentence, not only for him but Adam and Eve. Since God did not immediately execute anyone, some angels noticed this. After a few centuries when the human population had grown and Satan and Adam and Eve were still living, some angels decided that God was not going to do anything.

What they didn't know was that 1,000 years is but a day to God. Adam did eventually die, at 930 years and so did his wife. They died within the timeframe that God said they would if they ate the forbidden fruit. In God's mind, they were both dead in less than a day.

If God had permitted the angels to go about their way, copulating with women then the entire human line would have been corrupted, thus preventing the birth of the Messiah. God could have simply destroyed the entire human race but he made a way out. After all, Christ was his master worker and he found joy in the creation of humanity.

When the fallen angels materizlied and took on flesh, it did not come under the Adamic line of descent. It was a counterfeit flesh. This spelt doom for the children of these fallen angelic fathers. They had no covenant with God and were considered outcasts in his eyes.

The angels that disobeyed God and left their natural home were outcasts. They misused their powers. God did not want them to become human, if he had he would have given them the right to do so. They lowered themselves in stature.

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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

This is an interesting discussion.

I think the problem is most of you are looking at the ark design from a human perspective. So what if it wasn't big enough for all animal life or wouldn't withstand the water pressure? Don't you think the Creator took that into account? Would it not be impossible for God to reseed the planet with new animal and plant life?

The flood served two purposes - it forced the angels who had sinned to return to heaven and it was a judgement of those on the planet. The demons that returned to heaven were stripped of their powers to materialize as humans. Had they not first dissoved their flesh and blood containers, they would have perished.

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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

Yan Bibiyan,

Sorry, you are missing the point completely.
NO AMOUNT of preaching would have made that ark bigger. By its very physical limitations, the device was insufficient to house large number of people.
God KNEW that only Noah and his immediate family will be boarding it, or he would have directed Noah to make it sufficiently big for the "human race"
Noah's preaching efforts were in vain, which makes the preaching direction of Allmighty very questionable. Don tcha think?

I see, well it's possible that things were already bad enough that the Creator knew most would not survive. That's poor reasoning I know but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation. I must say, your point is interesting and will require more consideration.

The Genesis account would seem to indicate that salvation was possible for the population of the time if only they would repent, but they took no note. Perhaps God foresaw this.

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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

undercover,

Sorry, I had to leave for a while.

2 Peter 2:5 "and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly"

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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..

by Yan Bibiyan in

then i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?

god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.

at that time how many people could have heard it?

truthseeker

Yan Bibiyan

Only Noah and his family were found righteous. There may have been more than one reason for this. His bloodline may have been uncontaminated with angelic DNA. It would have been unthinkable for God to have his son come from a bloodline of giants/Nephilim.

The Cherubs were the front line defenders prior to the flood brought upon this planet. After Adam and Eve were forced out of Eden, God ordered the Cherubs to guard entry to the garden, and a flaming blade of a sword, which was continually turning, was to guard the way to the tree of life. During those thousand years, countless tries were attempted to gain entry to the garden but these were thwarted. Due to the flaming sword, it was impossible for any of the fallen angels to raid the tree of life and retrieve the fruit for their wives. The fruit would not have benefited the Nephilim because they were not covered under the original covenant which mankind had with God. It would have benefited the fallen angel’s wives as well as the wives of the Nephilim.

Noah was commissioned by God to preach to the human race, warning them of the coming flood and that they were to board the ark if they wanted to survive. He preached a condemning message to the Nephilim and their wives, and the wives of the fallen angels, that the marriages were unholy unions; that the Nephilim were outcasts of God’s creation, and they would all perish at the flood without chance of survival. The fallen angels that had taken on bodies of flesh were not part of that judgment. They simply dissolved the bodies and went back into heaven. There, they were handed out judgment by God for their part in corrupting mankind. Noah’s message was very distressing to the Nephilim, their wives, as well as the fallen angel’s wives; so, it became necessary for the angels to provide front line protection to them during the preaching work and until the flood came.

The story of the fallen angels and the Nephilim can be found in the Book of Enoch, which was originally left out of the Bible because of fobts about its authenticity.

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Cuppa, anyone?

by laverite in

jw
friends

what kind of tea do you drink?

what is your favourite way to drink it?

personally, i've never even tried coffee.

truthseeker

black tea with milk

Likes PG Tips, Tetley

prefers loose tea to tea bags

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A Lengthy Introduction

by Bitch on Parade in

hello, my name is lauren and i'm somewhat new to the forum.

i've looked around here before but never bothered to make an account.

so, here's my story, biography, or what-have-you detailing my experience with the jehovah's witness cult.. my grandmother was a jw and my mother was raised as one.

truthseeker

Welcome BOP and thanks for sharing your story.

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can we talk "public apostacy" for a moment?

by chickpea in

jw
friends

how public have you been as an apostate in your community, where your activities.

that are decidedly contrary to the bleatings of the b0rg and publicized?.

i am about to commit a humdinger of a display of worldliness, with potential for.

truthseeker

Not public, but discreet.

I am inactive and have no desired to be df'd since I have friends and family still in.

It is possible to live a quiet life away from the WT if you're careful about what you say.

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The Governing Body, Women and Yknot

by believingxjw in

jw
friends

the governing body was so careful to keep this book out of the hands of women even to allowing a brother to help an elder laminate it (but only in the presence of an elder of course lol) but no not a sister.

a sister could not help spiral or laminate this book even in the presence of an elder.

what women haters!!.

truthseeker

Yknot you rock!