Elderlite,
It is apparent that nothing could convince you of something you have made your mind up about, that is why you tear holes in things you know little about. Your agenda is not one of openess but one of pulling down.
When you get your doctorate then maybe I'll pay attention to what you have to say, in the meantime I'll go with Dr. Terry Mortenson's findings.
thetrueone,
Since you're so fond of cut and paste...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/universality-of-flood
Noah’s Flood is critically important to the question of the age of the earth, as explains Dr. Terry Mortenson in his article on p. 62. For over eighteen centuries virtually all Christians understood Genesis to recount a universal Flood that completely covered the whole earth, leaving no dry land anywhere at the height of the event. However, during the past 200 years many Christians have been swayed by secular ideas and have abandoned the clear hermeneutic of Scripture for belief that the Flood was local and covered only the Mesopotamian Valley of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (the area of modern-day Iraq). But such a view cannot stand under the careful scrutiny of Genesis 6–9 . Consider these points.
One of the most important biblical arguments for a universal (i.e., global) Flood is the statement of Genesis 7:19–20 , which says, “ And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered ” (KJV).
You do need not be a professional scientist to realize the tremendous implications of these biblical statements. If the highest mountains 1 were covered with water, the Flood would have been global in geographical extent, for water must seek its own level—and it must do so quickly!
The phrase “ fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail ” does not mean that the Flood was only 15 cubits deep, for the phrase is qualified by the one which immediately follows: “ and the mountains were covered. ”
Because Genesis 6:15 tells us that the height of the Ark was 30 cubits, nearly all commentators agree that the phrase “fifteen cubits” in 7:20 must refer to how deep the Ark sank into the water when it was fully laden. Such information adds further support for a universal Flood, because it tells us that the Flood “prevailed” over the tops of the highest mountains to a depth of at least 15 cubits. If the Flood had not covered the mountains by at least such a depth, the Ark could not have floated over them during the five months in which the waters “prevailed” upon the earth.
Now, if you think you know better than Dr. Terry Mortenson I'd be interested in your views.
thetrueone,
Don't flatter yourself, like most people here I have to work and eat and do all the other things so cannot be present at all times.
As for being rational, you picked some poorly made obscure video about the flood chronology which I already answered.
Wow, this thread has over 5,000 views.
I think this will be the thread to beat the flood horse to death.
thetrueone,
The only fact your video points out is that according to secular history, it would have been impossible for a global flood to have occurred during 2348/2370 BC since civilization existed during and before those times.
Since I do not subscribe to either of these dates, the evidence is non-sequitur.
N.Drew
God would have had to provide the wicked angels with bodies and reproductive capacity. You believe the head of Christ is God? The head of the angels therefore is God too. Of course. Why did God provide the angels the means to impregnate the women? Is God evil?
The account was about the women being overcome by the angels to do their will, instead of God's will. To influence people is always in their capacity as creatures with will. And the women also had will, but it was ruined by the angels. They had offspring. Yes, have you never heard of breeding? DNA? The angels could choose the mates that would produce what they wanted. People do it with dogs and horses. There is not enough evidence that they materialzed bodies and actually bred with the humans. And believing so tends to persuade me you don't know The Holy One.The angels were quite capable of pulsing down and taking on human form so having relations with humans would not have been insurmountable. However, they would have needed organic food to maintain their human body.
thetrueone,
I didn't say that civilizations existed throughout the flood, this would not be possible. I did mention I was not dogmatic with dates so I have no problem with the video. If the flood account is true, civilizations would have appeared after the event unless it was a localized flood.
The fallen angels that came to Earth looked upon mankind and became interested in materializing to see what it was like to become human. They materialized as both men and women and became inflamed with lust for each other and humans because with the act of anything comes a pattern that is ingrained in the mind. They could not ignore the feeling of sex because they had already cultivated a desire for it within, just as Satan cultivated pride.
Peter describes what happened to them: "In that state He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared; in it, a few that is, eight people were saved through water.”
The fallen angels crossbred two different kinds of flesh, human and spiritual, the result being the Nephilim. The fallen angels that had God's spirit were mild tempered but mankind were degraded and violent.
Something else to consider is the birth of Jesus. Despite having a prehuman existence, he was born fully human with no trace of his previous angelic attributes whereas the fallen angels were unable or unwilling to shed their spiritual attributes. This gave their offspring superhuman strength and intelligence and bought them the fame they sought.
The situation had got so bad that God felt compelled to issue a proclamation at Genesis 6:3: "Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
This message was meant for the fallen angels who took on human form. God would allow 120 more years before bringing the global deluge. This date was known to those in heaven and not those on earth because the Bible was written much later, so no one knew when the end would come.
God eventually brought an end to the long cycles of life that men enjoyed, you can see this in Genesis where each generation died earlier than the previous generation. No one lived a day in God's eyes except for the materialized fallen angels and the Nephilim who were not under the original judgement.
Genesis 6:12, 13: "God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."
The Ark was the provision by which survivors of the great flood were guaranteed a seat on that vessel if they would only climb aboard. It was not large enough to save everyone because God knew that only eight would survive, but it was large enough to have saved more people that it did.
The book of Enoch contains more information about the fallen angels and the Nephilim. This book was left out of the Bible because scholars doubted its authenticity.
So why bring a global flood? Such an extreme reaction was justified because of the condition of the people.
Violence flourished and the Nephilim were more interested in being famous than in being peaceful.
In today’s society, we still do much of what was done in the pre-flood world - the building of cities, development of musical instruments, the forging of iron and bronze for the purpose of making tools and ornaments. These activities had their start long before God ended that ancient world.
The human population were in awe of the angels that materialized in front of them and considered them Gods. They built the cities of the day with the help of humans. When people started to spread out on the earth, the angels taught them how to live in communes. While the Nephilim were violent and agressive, the fallen angels mostly took on the role of guides and teachers for they already knew the makeup of creation. Prior to the global deluge, the earth was just as enterprising as it is today.
The fallen angels that came to Earth tried to alter God's plan. They hoped God would forgive and accept the path they took. They wanted nothing more than to remain in human form and continue living on Earth. They intermingled with humans forming cult worship. In God's eyes this was unforgivable - those on the fringe were offered salvation in Noah's ark and God would direct them to Noah, but if they did not accept the offer to be saved out of a dying world, they would perish at the flood.
Was it enough for Noah to have faith alone? No. If Noah had failed to follow God's instruction to build the Ark he would have died along with the others because he would not have shown works with his faith in deliverance. God asked Noah to build the ark because He wanted Noah and his family to show willingness to work towards their own salvation. It was the same in Egypt when God used Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and across the wilderness into the Promised Land.
