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  DEMONS

  by Band on the Run in

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  growing up in the fifties and sixties, stories of demonic possession were prevalant in the watchtower and awake.

  i was terrified.

  we were told they would bother you if you were faithful, but also if you fell away.

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  July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard

  by LostGeneration in

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  this is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).

  avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.

  (para 7, pg 16).

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  Notice though that the Watchtower

  NEVER TELLS US WHAT THESE APOSTATES ARE ACTUALLY SAYING!

  They don't tell us how apostates scheme, only that they do

  They don't tell us what apostates teach, only that they teach

  They don't tell us why apostates are mentally diseased, only that they are

  The majority of rank and file will STILL have no clue about apostates

  The Watchtower has created a paradox - apostates are the invisible enemy that no one really sees or knows about, yet in reality some of us are sitting right next to them at the kingdom hall.
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  Yet another July 15th 2011 WT thread...use caution--deconstruction at work

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i figured i'd start off by just examining the language used in the july 15th, 2011 watchtower, page 15-16, paragraphs 4-7.. apostates are like:.

  1. ravenous wolves.

  9. their own ideas.

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  It's amazing how WT contradicts itself

  http://www.watchtower.org/e/20000622/article_03.htm

  Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda!

  "A fool will believe anything." —P ROVERBS 14:15, T ODAY'S E NGLISH V ERSION.

  THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.

  The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say.

  How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls "profitless talkers" and "deceivers of the mind"? ( Titus 1:10 ) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  Satan is recorded in the Bible as the original first intelligent creation to sin, and the perfecter of organized sin; he is an art and science of the craft of sinful misconduct. Sin is in effect, being lawless in the Creator's eyes; to be lawless, one must first break the law; however, Satan turned lawlessness into an art, and as it spread like a virus to mankind, and then to the holy angelic hosts that broke law, its existence became a thing of common acceptance; but is it really acceptable, or is it (the art of sin) merely being tolerated for a reason that will eventually climax in the future? And if so, will sin still be possible after Satan and his confederates bite the dust for the final round against the Creator?

  The answer is yes, at least the practiced art of sin will not, but sin will be possible; to become an art, it first had to be cultured to a high degree, such as Satan has cultured sinful traits over the past centuries. But when Satan and all other past and present rebels of the Creator's laws are finally dealt with and removed from existence, there will be the possibility of sin being committed in the Kingdom of Christ Jesus; the possibility throughout eternity.

  This is because of "free will" that's bestowed upon all of our Father's intelligent creations that are in His image; however, the perfecting of, and the organizing of sin into an art and science will no longer be tolerated at that time; instead, the offender will be immediately dealt with; they will be at a state of perfection in Father's eyes at that time, and no salvation will exist or be extended to them for breaking the Creator's law and thereby becoming lawless in Father's eyes.

  The purpose of the Millennial Rule is to teach those that are of good heart, and willing to accept the truth as it really is, the laws that will have to be followed throughout eternity; of course, if you manage to get into the Kingdom, but you have a change of heart and do not accept the laws early on, you will perish for eternity; and, if after the Millennium, you have a change of heart when Satan and his demons are awakened and turned loose for a final test of trying to recreate organized sin among the Kingdom survivors, you will go down in defeat with him and his confederates. After that final execution, organized sin will have been eliminated; the art of sin, which is the practice of sin, it will no longer be tolerated; if you sin against Law after that period of time, you will be immediately exterminated and no longer in existence. The record on the practice of sin will have been completed; it is non-workable, therefore it is not acceptable to go outside of Father's Will and set up practice as a sinner like the Devil did along with his confederates.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  So, what are Satan's designs?

  Satan and his demons have been studying Mankind through each successive generation on this planet; they know more about how we think and feel than any master human psychologist; they work off NEEDS; they take God given things like sex and food - and they subvert and twist those needs to try and lasso each of us; love verses sex; moderate verse being a glutton; if we over feed our vessels, what are we really doing? Aren’t we cultivating a desire for organic food over all else? And though over eating is not a gross sin, what happens when you've become addicted to organic food and can no longer satisfy that need?

  Satan knows the more sin is practiced, the more it becomes deeply rooted in those that become slaves to it; whether it be a slave to food, or a slave to an act that gives short term satisfaction, no one is truly satisfied by those addictions; like drugs that give highs of utopia in the beginning stages, are they not turned into nightmares as the vessel dehabilitates and slowly dies from the sinful misuse of organic compounds injected, inhaled, or ingested on a daily basis - to the point that one will steal to keep up the addiction?
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  Not harmless, no.

  They can inspire fear and haunt you until your passing unless you can rid them by prayer. They can arouse curiosity in persons who are looking for something new and "spiritual". They have lived for aeons and know all there is to know about human emotion and behavior.

  Since they're already on Satan's side, their only job is to convince you to join theirs. For those that don't believe in God and his Word, their job is already done.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  Sab,

  From what I understand they are limited in power - they are not permitted to directly kill people as was the case with Job's servants but that doesn't mean that they can't manoeuvre events.

  Just as we all have our own personalities, so do they - they were created with god's attributes after all. Some probably want nothing more than to be left alone, others hate humans because they think we are too blame for their misfortunes.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  truthseeker

  Lesabre,

  I get it, it's just convenient to use.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  Sab,

  Yes, you're right - you would think that superior intelligent creations would do something purposeful with their life - unlike humans who come under the ransom sacrifice, the fallen angels do not - they know they have a death sentence hanging over them and there is nothing they can do about it.

  When you're created perfect and sin wilfully, there is no place to go but down.

  Some fallen angels delight in terrifying people because they can do so and they have plenty of free time since they no longer carry out their original assignments.

  Consider the info at this link: http://www.nightwatchmanchronicles.com/INT/DianaPossession.htm

  The bible makes it clear that Satan is good at deception. Those that believe in him, especially the demons, fear him. Others that don’t believe, he either makes believers out of them, by having his demons have some fun at scaring them. That’s how the demons view it. They do things and then watch for response. If your hair goes up on the back of your neck and your pulse is racing, they get a good laugh out of terrorizing you. If you could see them do it you would be angry at how funny they think it is to screw with you.
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  LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

  by Quentin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.

  he does not exist.

  there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.

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  Sab,

  Considering their limited powers, I would say the the most dangerous (or scary) things they have done to individuals I know is haunting them, hiding objects, partial materialziations and audible noise.

  The real power they possess is to confuse people and make them believe things other than what the Bible says. Why is this dangerous?

  Jesus said, do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, rather be afraid of the one who can destroy body and soul