From the comments on here, which are they good by the way, it seems that those who have the most to gain from leaving should be woken up, those who need the WT crutch should be left alone.
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If there was a pill that could open their eyes - would you give it to them?
by truthseeker inif there was a pill you could give to your jw family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?.
most would probably say yes.. but what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?.
some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs.
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If there was a pill that could open their eyes - would you give it to them?
by truthseeker inif there was a pill you could give to your jw family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?.
most would probably say yes.. but what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?.
some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs.
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If there was a pill you could give to your JW family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?
Most would probably say yes.
But what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?
Some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs. Some are hooked on the idea that they are Jehovah's name people and there is nowhere else to go. Others could not function without the "brotherhood" and have limited or no social skills to survive outside the organization.
Sometimes, the wolf is not necessary - the sheep are happy to build their own pen.
Freedom comes with a price and not all can handle it.
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Chart showing Governing Body Members and Committees as of October, 1999
by truthseeker ini have had this document for some time.
i think it was either given out at pioneer school or at one of the pioneer meetings with the circuit overseer.. .
how things have changed in 15 years.
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I have had this document for some time. I think it was either given out at Pioneer School or at one of the Pioneer meetings with the Circuit Overseer.
How things have changed in 15 years. The box called "Faithful & Discreet Slave" never existed. It is the Governing Body.
They fooled all 7 million of us into thinking that there was this mysterious group of anointed Christians providing spiritual truths to the Governing Body when all along, none of the anointed outside of Bethel had any meaningful input.
What a crock.
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What was the Overall reaction from the world media ,to the Awake article ,may 22nd 1994 regarding "Youths Who Died Refusing Blood".
by smiddy ini , and my wife had probably left about 12 months prior to this magazine coming out , and i never at that time had any knowledge of it till many years later when i joined this site.. when i did see it , i was appalled that they could put out such an article , in a magazine they would distribute throughout the world .. to me it smacked of child abuse .
these were kids , who had no life experiences , who were far too young to make life or death choices of their own , were influenced by religous leaders who had their own agenda , and sadly by family , relatives and freinds who were indoctrinated by a man made religion that has its roots in america in the late 1800`s .. so my question is , did this episode of child abuse go under the radar of mainstream media ?
did it escape child protection agencies of the time ?.
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You know, I remember offering this magazine in the preaching work and it always bothered me.
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I know 2 of the Elders on the Ray Franz JC
by James Jackson inwhen i read coc, i was stunned that the 2 elders (theotis french & rob dibble) were on ray franz judcial committee.
i have known these men for over 20 years having done rbc and convention work with them.
they are still elders today which means they were in their early 30's(which is unheard of for a case of this importance to have inexperienced elders to sit on) on this committee.. without revealing myself, i have never tried(but have wanted to), ask them about their on having to judge a former gb member.. then out of the blue, about a year ago, i was mentioning how hard it is trying to get younger ones to volunteer to one of these elders, and he says"this is nothing compared to to sitting on the committee that had to disfellowship ray franz".
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In defense of James Jackson, and on the assumption he is speaking the truth, it is none of our business to judge him as to why he waited so long to disclose this information or why he gives public talks.
for everything there is a time and a season. I know for myself, when I had doubts and found this website, part of me still wanted to believe the Society had the truth, and I wrestled with my mind for a long time before I left.
From the perspective of others, it can be a mystery why people who know TTABT stay in, but usually one reaches a point where they know it's time to leave
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TODAY I published my book THE MONORAILS of MARS the first JW sci-fi
by Terry inhttp://www.lulu.com/shop/terry-walstrom/the-monorails-of-mars/paperback/product-21717981.html.
under the cover illustration, click "preview".
a preview screen will appear.
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Looks good Terry, job well done.
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Exodus 24:10 - The Israelites saw Jehovah? Has this scripture ever been explained?
by truthseeker inhas anyone really pondered what this means?
jehovah said that no man can see god and live, and here at least 70 people saw jehovah standing on a bright blue pavement.
24 then the lord said to moses, come up to the lord , you and aaron, nadab and abihu, and seventy of the elders of israel.
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illustrated:
70 elders saw God -----------------> no man can see God and live
contradiction
therefore
70 elders saw a vision of God (could be anything) ---------------> no man can see God and live
no contradiction
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Exodus 24:10 - The Israelites saw Jehovah? Has this scripture ever been explained?
by truthseeker inhas anyone really pondered what this means?
jehovah said that no man can see god and live, and here at least 70 people saw jehovah standing on a bright blue pavement.
24 then the lord said to moses, come up to the lord , you and aaron, nadab and abihu, and seventy of the elders of israel.
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This is what happens when WT writers can't accept the verse as being literal because it contradicts the other verse that says "no man can see God and live'".
So, they took it upon themselves to change the Hebrew verse so that it conforms to their theology. This eliminates the contradiction.
Anything where Bible verses contradict each other can simply be explained away as a vision or symbolic imagery.
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Exodus 24:10 - The Israelites saw Jehovah? Has this scripture ever been explained?
by truthseeker inhas anyone really pondered what this means?
jehovah said that no man can see god and live, and here at least 70 people saw jehovah standing on a bright blue pavement.
24 then the lord said to moses, come up to the lord , you and aaron, nadab and abihu, and seventy of the elders of israel.
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Apognophos,
I understand what you are trying to say but it would only make sense if the whole passage was poetic.
There is nothing remotely poetic about these verses, they continue on in like manner from v1-8.
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
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Exodus 24:10 - The Israelites saw Jehovah? Has this scripture ever been explained?
by truthseeker inhas anyone really pondered what this means?
jehovah said that no man can see god and live, and here at least 70 people saw jehovah standing on a bright blue pavement.
24 then the lord said to moses, come up to the lord , you and aaron, nadab and abihu, and seventy of the elders of israel.
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Here is the verse in different translations, nothing here about seeing visions. Must be a NWT thing.
Parallel Verses New International Version
and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky.New Living Translation
There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself.English Standard Version
and they saw the God of Israel. There was under his feet as it were a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.New American Standard Bible
and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself.King James Bible
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.Holman Christian Standard Bible
and they saw the God of Israel. Beneath His feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire stone, as clear as the sky itself.International Standard Version
and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, as clear as the sky.NET Bible
and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear like the sky itself.GOD'S WORD® Translation
They saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made out of sapphire as clear and blue as the sky itself.Jubilee Bible 2000
and they saw the God of Israel; and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone like unto the heaven when it is clear.King James 2000 Bible
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the very heaven in its clearness.American King James Version
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.American Standard Version
And they saw the God of Israel; and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and as it were the very heaven for clearness.Douay-Rheims Bible
And they saw the God of Israel: and under his feet as it were a work of sapphire stone, and as the heaven, when clear.Darby Bible Translation
and they saw the God of Israel; and there was under his feet as it were work of transparent sapphire, and as it were the form of heaven for clearness.English Revised Version
and they saw the God of Israel; and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and as it were the very heaven for clearness.Webster's Bible Translation
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire-stone, and as it were the body of heaven in its clearness.World English Bible
They saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was like a paved work of sapphire stone, like the skies for clearness.Young's Literal Translation
and they see the God of Israel, and under His feet is as the white work of the sapphire, and as the substance of the heavens for purity;
