Posts by Miss.Fit

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

Miss.Fit

I meant allegory. it was nice to have an open conversation with her. I did feel a little embarrassed that she figured it out before I did. She was just to tactful to argue about it. But when I brought it up after reading this thread and some of the liinks....I found shsa e agreed with you and was m. ing the same points you were. It's going to take me a while to process.

But I wanted to thank you guys for the way you present your arguments and provide links and info to back it up both pro and con. I am

then able to read the research and think about what makes sense. It helps that I have my daughter to bounce things off. I teased her that she must come here in secret because she will bring up similar points that i found here-lol.

Missy

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Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* in

first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.

showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.

and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .

Miss.Fit

Cofty:

You need to give some of us some time to catch up. I never realized how much of the flood story I just accepted without thinking it through. I was talking to my daughters (they are in their early 20's) about this thread. They told me they never thought the story was literal. I on the other never doubted it was true.

Until now. I guess I never sat down and thought it through.I accepted the official explanation and figured if it was in the bible, it must be true. My daughter told me she never understood how the org. would say some parts of the bible was literal and some was symbolic.

One of the arguments for the flood being real was that Jesus referenced it.

Did he reference it because it was part of the Jewish traditional writings and they would be familar with it and understand his point?

I asked my daughter why she never took the story literal. She said after she studied history and anthropology she knew the flood

story could not be literal. So she figured it was an aligory

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AVOIDING A SHEPHERDING CALL: Suggestions pls

by grumblecakes in

jw
friends

yup got a voice mail bright and early this morning "grumblecakes, we would like to schedule a shepherding call".. how do i get outta this?.

.

thanks!!

Miss.Fit

Grumblecakes: any updates? Hope all is well.

Missy

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Most Awkward, Embarrassing, Comical things you Experienced as a Witness ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

many of us i'm sure experienced embarrassing or comical moments as a witness.

some things we'd rather just forget , i'm sure, but some things helped us think on our feet, quickly in helping others .

here are a few of mine.

Miss.Fit

Bttt. Love to hear more.

Missy

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Board of bitterness

by 1009 in

i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

but still this religion fascinates me.

in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

Miss.Fit

Frazzled: Thanks for your kind words. This is probably eye opening for you too. Is this board helping you understand your wife more? It is so hard to get out of the JW mind set.

Missy

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Board of bitterness

by 1009 in

i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

but still this religion fascinates me.

in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

Miss.Fit

Adamah- Thanks for your thoughtful response to my post. I was indeed feeling I didn't belong anywhere. Your explanation about everyone being at different places coming and going made sense to me. I just need to go at my own pace.

Data dog: I never felt hated. I understand the need the need to vent. I related to alot of the feelings expressed on this board. Maybe you can tell me how to spot a troll. Is it just someone who refuses to see your viewpoint? OR is it more than that? I am new to posting so I dont know all the rules. I just try to follow the posting guidelines.

I didnt read the court transcript on the Conti case but i read the articles. That is one of the reasons I am here. I lived through the results of similar polices. After reading members accounts, I could see nothing had changed.

1009 - It must be hard to understand when you dont share the same experiences. Keep an open mind. The more you read the more you will see how similar these experiences are.

Except for the lying, two faced Elder dad who molested my sisters and beat us at home, I'm ?sure the JWs are nice an d loving. What did you get dfd for? Do you think it was worse than what he did? Does that seem fair?

He molested 2 girls for a long period of time. He was removed, but was only publicly reproved.

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Board of bitterness

by 1009 in

i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

but still this religion fascinates me.

in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

Miss.Fit

I am typing on my phone. Excuse the mistakes. I wanted to say that I am rethinking a lot of things. I have noticed that when I read a post that goes against what I was taught-I have an automatic response...I catch myself and ask is that what I really think or was that what I was told to say?

But it is hard to focus on those things when I find myself getting defensive because of the name calling and ridicule. Some on this board say jws dont agree because they are brain dead...and are asleep.

I understand that I am not used to be able to say out loud maybe the org. Is wrong......I am not used to the idea...I know I had to always watch what I say or do to avoid stumbling someone or be accused of wrong thinking.

I would like to be able to come on here and put down how I feel without having to worry: am I sounding brain washed. ..am I sounding like a troll because I dont agree? Maybe I am out of my depth.

I find if I wait , someone will post just what I was feeling or what I wanted to say only better. Or they will say something that will make me reconsider my views.

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Board of bitterness

by 1009 in

i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

but still this religion fascinates me.

in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

Miss.Fit

Hello, as a newbie I would like to add my perspective.

I noticed more distain and contempt than bitterness..especially if someone doesn't jump on the jws are evil bandwagon. I noticed if someone takes the opposite view they are accused of being hypocrites, or trolls. When I saw this board on the web. I did not read any where that you had to hate JWs and everything they stand for in order to post. Maybe there should be a warning. I think it is important to have many perspectives represented.

Speaking for me personally: I am in conflict. I found this site accidently. I checked out a couple of innocent looking threads-something about the Brooklyn properties being sold. Someone mentioned Candance Coti. I was courious as to what she would have to do with it so I googled her.

It hit a nerve. I came back to your site to look around. I read some experiences that I could relate to, thoughts and emotions I thought I only had.

But I noticed the contempt some had for any JW. This was a shock because of course I was brought up to have respect for the org.

Soit was very jarring to see jws referred to as sheeples, Watchtower referred to as Washtowels, Bethel-Bethell, CONventions, going out in circus, jws-dubs........If I read something I didn't agree with I didn't want to say because all JWs are brainwashec

TIt took a lot of courage for me to even register.

I try not to take it personally.

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Getting Rid of Left-Over JW Superstitions

by GloomySunday in

i've been only out for about a year now, but still have some left-over superstitions, that i was hoping someone could help me get rid of.

firstly, i'd like to say that i don't think these are rational, but they keep bothering me, and i have some anxiety/paranoia problems that most likely are the cause.. i'm embarrassed by these silly things, and am young and have not been out long, so i'd assume this is to be an expected symptom.. what i usually keep doing is looking for patterns in everything, like if jws come to the door, i start interpreting it to mean that god sent them, or some such silliness.. or when watchtower or awake!

magazines come out, i keep applying the topics to what i've been thinking about, or what has happened recently.

Miss.Fit

Rebel: do you have a book or website recommendation for CBT? I saw some online treatment websites.

Do you know how I would find out about CBT treatments in my area? I live in the USA.

The on line therapy sessions ran $75.00 a session.

Any info would be appreciated.

Missy

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Getting Rid of Left-Over JW Superstitions

by GloomySunday in

i've been only out for about a year now, but still have some left-over superstitions, that i was hoping someone could help me get rid of.

firstly, i'd like to say that i don't think these are rational, but they keep bothering me, and i have some anxiety/paranoia problems that most likely are the cause.. i'm embarrassed by these silly things, and am young and have not been out long, so i'd assume this is to be an expected symptom.. what i usually keep doing is looking for patterns in everything, like if jws come to the door, i start interpreting it to mean that god sent them, or some such silliness.. or when watchtower or awake!

magazines come out, i keep applying the topics to what i've been thinking about, or what has happened recently.

Miss.Fit

GloomySunday: OMG. I look for patterns too. The other day I was online to this board and guess who knocked at my door?

Yep. 2 Sisters from the hall stopping to remind me about the CO Sundays talk.

Then my JW friend stops by my work to see how I am. Seems she's worried about me. She never just drops in.

So now I catch myself thinking : what if Jehovah is sending them?..

REBEL: thanks for the link. I really needed that. I booked marked it. I never heard of thought stopping before. Have tried it? Did it help?

Missy